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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 October 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

My apologies. I have taken up too much time already.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I want to follow up the point that you made about tier 1 and tier 2 support. I think that we would recognise that there are opportunities to tackle the issues with climate change, biodiversity loss and all the rest of it, but we have to be able to farm viably. I have a concern—you might or might not be able to allay it—that in the proposals that we are considering, we are trying to do too much with a single pot of money, which will have to stretch much further than it needs to. Is that a genuine concern or can we manage that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I apologise.

Jonnie, you said that farmers in England are taking a step back. Given the amount of support that is required to keep farming in Scotland viable, how do farmers take a step back if they do not like the policy?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

In effect, then, what you are saying is that, for the whole supply chain to work, you cannot try to find a solution for each individual bit—you have to look at the whole system that is in place.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

We have roamed about on this issue, but I want to go back to the opportunities for the food and drink sector that you touched on in response to Ariane Burgess.

With regard to farmers’ ability to diversify, the CCC said last week that we needed to reduce numbers and all the rest of it, and, in that respect, I am very glad that you have mentioned critical mass, because that is the bit that I want to talk about. What if, for instance, we decided to say, “Right, we’re going to pay £1,000 for every calf that’s born on a hill, but you need to reduce the numbers of suckler cows that you produce by 20 or 30 per cent”? What would be the net effect of targeting just one specific problem in that way?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

In what sense?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

That is the question that I am asking you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I have a brief question for Ross Lilley. You said that the Government does not have the level of data that it needs. As a farmer, I used to have a crop plan every year and I knew what was going into every single field and what I was going to do in that field, based on the soil analysis that I had done and what I was looking to achieve. Is there not a way that you or the data gatherers could speak to the farming community? A vast amount of that field-level detail is already available—we just have to tap into it and speak to the farmers to get it.

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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

However, that leads to Scotland being in danger of losing the value of its natural capital to big organisations that do not live here. That might be a bigger question than the ones that you are here to talk about today, but the process is going through my mind as we speak.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I want to go back to the point that Ross Lilley has just made about intensification, if that is okay. We are talking about a whole-farming approach—that is, one that goes across the industry—but it is a fact that, if you take just two farms, the climate and biodiversity challenges that each faces will be different. Indeed, there will be different climate and biodiversity challenges on just one farm alone, never mind the challenges facing a full-scale system.

I am going to talk predominantly about semi-upland, upland and hill farming. If we are saying that intensification is part of the issue with regard to biodiversity loss, I would just point out that you cannot get farming that is more about landscape than those kinds of farming. Why, therefore, are we seeing the same drop in numbers in upland farms as we are in the big, intensive arable farms?