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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you very much. I will draw the session to a close. I am very much aware that we have not touched on parts 1 to 3 of the bill, but I think that it was right that we focused on parts 4 to 6 with these particular witnesses.

If there are any burning issues that you would like to bring in on parts 1 to 3, now is the time to do so. If not, I will bring the session to a close.

I see that no one has anything else to add. In that case, I thank you very much indeed—this has been a very helpful and worthwhile session. That completes our business in public this morning, and we move into private session.

12:47 Meeting continued in private until 13:09.  

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Yes. One of the reasons why I mentioned the VNS update was that, although the committee absolutely recognises the spirit in which the commissioner role has been proposed, we also recognise that a lot of work is already done in that area, not least by organisations such as yours and Rape Crisis Scotland, which strongly advocate for victims. Some members questioned whether we need a commissioner. A lot of work is also done in relation to the victim notification scheme. In other words, given that there is already a lot of provision for victims and witnesses, might that negate the need for a commissioner? That is where I was coming from with my initial question.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Katy Clark wants to come in, but we will have to move on after that, because I am keen that our questions also cover parts 5 and 6 of the bill. I will also allow Liam Kerr to come in, if it is a very tiny question.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. That was very comprehensive. I will check back on the proposals in the bill on that final point, but I now bring in Michael Meehan KC.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thanks for that. I will go straight to Sandy Brindley with the same question and then come back in with a follow-up question.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Audrey Nicoll

That is a really helpful and detailed response.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I am conscious that we are perhaps revisiting what we discussed at stage 1, which I completely understand. I will bring in Sandy Brindley if she wants to comment on that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Before we move on to part 6, some aspects of which we have touched on already, I have a question about double jeopardy. The Scottish Government is proposing that the double jeopardy rule would not apply to the types of crimes that would be prosecuted in a specialist sexual offences court. That would be a new provision on which the committee has not taken evidence. Do your organisations have a view on that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Audrey Nicoll

That is helpful. Do you wish to add anything to that, Kate?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

A very good morning, and welcome to the 37th meeting in 2024 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have no apologies this morning. Katy Clark joins us online.

There is one item of business, which is consideration of a negative instrument. I refer members to paper 1. The order further amends the Firefighters’ Pension Schemes (Scotland) Order 2007, following amendments that were made to that order by the Firefighters’ Pension Schemes (Scotland) Amendment Order 2024, which extended the period during which persons who were employed in Scotland as retained firefighters have access to a pension scheme.

Members might wish to note that, ahead of the committee’s consideration of the instrument, the Fire Brigades Union was invited to comment, but it has no issue with or comments to make on the instrument.

As no member has any questions, does the committee agree to make no recommendations on the instrument?

Members indicated agreement.