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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 November 2024
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Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thanks very much for that comprehensive answer. I will now bring in Sharon Dowey, after which we will draw our session to a close.

11:15  

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I will bring in other members and then come back to you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thanks for the clarification. I see that Phillip Chapman and Sharon Clelland do not have anything to add, so I will move on. I should say that I am also interested in some of the comments in your submission about safeguarding, but I will come back to that later.

I call Russell Findlay.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

We are a bit ahead of time, but I am going to draw this session to a close.

I thank our witnesses for coming along this morning. Your evidence has been very helpful, and we appreciate your time.

We will now have a short suspension to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

11:19 Meeting suspended.  

11:24 On resuming—  

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

The committee heard evidence from a witness, a former police officer, who had been the subject of a criminal investigation in relation to an incident that had happened while he was on duty. He subsequently left the service. During his evidence, he spoke about what he described as the “weaponisation” of the system against people who make complaints. That is quite a big claim to make. I am interested in whether you have seen any evidence of that. Do you recognise that characterisation?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. Can I just go back to why we have the different threshold? You set out some information at the beginning of your earlier response, and I think that I am right to interpret that as meaning that there is, with police officers, perhaps a higher expectation of adherence to discipline and good conduct. In itself, that brings us to the point where we have a lower reporting threshold. I am struggling slightly to set that against the safeguarding issues that we touched on in the previous evidence session and compliance around human rights. Do you have a comment on that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

That is really helpful clarification. I am going to open up the discussion and bring in Rona Mackay.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

That is the tricky bit.

That brings us up to time. Thank you for joining us, Mr Farrell—the evidence has been very helpful.

That concludes the public part of our meeting, and we now move into private session.

12:31 Meeting continued in private until 13:08.  

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Bill

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

There are no other questions from members. Is the committee content to recommend to the Parliament that consent should be given for the relevant provisions covered by LCM-S6-43 and LCM-S6-43a?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

That is very helpful.

The other point that I was thinking about relates to those probably very infrequent circumstances when an officer’s status might change from witness to suspect. How does that work?