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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that. Marsha, do you want to come in?

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I put that question to Fiona Drouet.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

A few members still want to come in and I am conscious of the time, so I ask for succinct questions and answers.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for those interesting points. As well as the review process, there is a duty of care wrapped around that process that we need to think about—you mentioned publication. One of the key objectives of the review process is learning lessons and improving practices. Before I bring in Marsha Scott, I would be interested to hear any other thoughts that you have on the output from and outcomes of the process. Is what is proposed enough or should there be more consideration of liability, which is not in the bill at the moment? Does the bill have the right balance?

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you, Marsha. Fiona, do you want to add to that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

We are now joined by our second panel of witnesses this morning: Katie Brown, equally safe policy manager at the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities; Graeme Simpson, chief social work officer at Aberdeen City Council, here representing Social Work Scotland; and Dr Emma Fletcher, director of public health at NHS Tayside. Welcome to you all, and thank you for your written submissions, which have been circulated in advance of today’s meeting. I intend to allow about 60 minutes for this evidence session.

As with our previous panel, I will start with a general opening question. I will work from my left and then move across the panel. I will therefore start with Katie Brown, followed by Graeme Simpson and then Emma Fletcher.

Can you set out in general terms your organisation’s views on part 2 of the bill and the system of abusive domestic behaviour reviews? What, if any, improvements or refinements would you like to make? In short, do you have any particular areas of concern, or are there aspects of the provisions in the bill that you particularly welcome?

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Pauline McNeill, I think that you were looking to come in with a follow-up question on that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you—that is helpful.

My final question concerns an issue that we discussed with the previous panel—you may have been in the room when we talked about training. I am interested in your views on getting that balance whereby we have a body of experts and knowledgeable individuals who can undertake reviews. Are there points about training that you are keen to make? Staff working across public services get abstracted to go on lots of training, and I am interested in your views on that aspect of the preparatory work around the introduction of a review process.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I will pick up on a final point on part 2 of the bill, and then members will ask questions on part 1.

Marsha, you touch on part 1 in your submission, but my final question on part 2 is around training for members of the review oversight committee and/or for panel members. My thinking is that training would be appropriate for panel members in particular, but I am interested in hearing your thoughts on that proposal. I ask Fiona to answer first, and then Marsha.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Did you want to come in, Marsha Scott?