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I must ask just one panel remember to respond to that, please. We have a wee bit to get through.

That is an interesting point that speaks to some of the commentary that we have heard previously about a trauma-informed environment in addition to trauma-informed practice. Thanks for raising that issue.

I think that Rona Mackay wants to come in.

Thank you for that update.

We will draw our session to a close. I thank all the panel members for attending the meeting. I will suspend the meeting for a few minutes to let our witnesses leave.

That was helpful. I will bring in Sharon Dowey.

Thank you very much. There is plenty there for members to focus in on. I will bring in Sharon Dowey.

Quite a few members want to come in. I will bring in John Swinney and then Rona Mackay.

I will stop there and we will move on to the next part, which is embedding trauma-informed practice. I will bring Russell Findlay back in.

Thank you very much. That concludes the public part of our agenda. At our next meeting on 1 November, we will continue our evidence taking on the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill. We will hear from organisations on the proposals to embed trauma-informed practice in the criminal justice system.

We now move into private session.

Thank you very much. I will bring in Katy Clark and Pauline McNeill and then we will have to move on.

We will move swiftly on to questions on part 3 of the bill, which is on special measures in civil cases.

At our previous evidence session, Scottish Women’s Aid and Rape Crisis Scotland argued that the scope of who is deemed vulnerable in the bill was not broad enough and that special measures should be available to those who are deemed to be vulnerable. Can you all say, as succinctly as possible, what your view on that is? Is there any drawback to the proposed changes?