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That is an interesting way of looking at it: they are not less favourable areas, but areas that can create great biodiversity and that can be used for carbon sequestration. The other important thing that I should mention is the sustainability of the rural population, which must be built into the thinking on all of this.

If the convener does not stop me from doing so, I want to ask specifically about the geese payments and where you see them fitting into the tiers, if at all.

Yesterday, as you will all know, was international women’s day. I said in the chamber:

“looking back and learning are essential to moving forward.”—[Official Report, 8 March 2023; c 45]

You have given us a lot of evidence about your experience in the civil service, and it has been absolutely fascinating. I was struck by the phrase “assertive and muscular unionism”. I apologise because I did not write down who said it, but I am interested to hear your thoughts on whether there is anything in the way in which the Windsor framework came about that can be learned from, in moving forward post devolution. Moreover, is there anything that we can learn from Norway or Switzerland about how things are constructed, as a way in which to improve relationships across Parliaments and Governments in the United Kingdom?

I think that my question falls into this topic of conversation, convener. I am interested in hearing people’s views on the monitor farms and how they are feeding into the ARIOB process. Also—I should have asked this the last time—what have you been doing to ensure that tenant farmers are included in the way forward?

I thank the panel, and I thank Kate Rowell for that last comment.

I represent Argyll and Bute, which has mixed farming. One of the key things in farming throughout Argyll and Bute, and certainly on the islands, is the sustainability of population and how the investment—I think that that is the right term to use—connects much more to the wider community.

Martin Kennedy, you talked about LFASS. I wonder whether you could expand a bit on what the ARIOB is advising with regard to LFASS payments. [Interruption.] Sorry—I am getting noises off from a sedentary position. I would also like to know how you have been looking at ensuring that population is sustainable across Scotland and at the interconnectivity of farming from the west coast to the east coast. It is a big question.

I asked about the interconnections between east and west.

I presume that you have had specific discussions about the amount of time for which you can play music? Are you allowed to put 30-second inserts into podcasts or can they be longer? How are those discussions going?

My apologies.

I was reflecting on the answers that you have just given. With the other competitions, there are clear pathways to continue broadcasting. I am concerned that there is not the same with jazz. Will you comment on that? There is traditional music, travelling folk and other programmes, including the Gary Innes programme, that people can come on. What is the pathway for a young, up-and-coming jazz musician on BBC Radio Scotland?

As Mr Cameron said very eloquently, the connection that young musicians have with BBC Radio Scotland came across palpably last week. I keep hearing the word “moment”, whereas, previously, it was an hour every week. Sarah Boyack said that there was a “disconnect” between what BBC Radio Scotland, as our national radio station, is broadcasting and what the huge numbers of people who have signed petitions are looking for.

I thank the witnesses for coming along today.

I appreciate that we are all working in difficult financial straits. In my previous role at the BBC, I was involved with this side of things.

I am interested in the archive and what we could be losing by not having live performances. When you are making radio programmes, the archive plays a large part, and we need to keep increasing it. You are custodians of a vast archive of Scottish cultural music and so on.