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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 July 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

I go back to the intention. If it were the intention to impede, alarm or distress women attending abortion services, silent prayer would be included. We have not specifically laid out what the actual acts are. However, we have laid out what the intention of the acts is.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

That is a really good question, and it is one that I have been playing out in my mind. The bill is set out to protect women who are accessing abortion services, and you heard some very powerful evidence from women who have obtained abortions about how they felt and the impact that walking past demonstrators had on them.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

The police would make that judgment. The activity will be captured, depending on the facts and the circumstances around what is happening.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

I do not have such an example. If I can come back to the committee with an example, I am happy to do so.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

To go back to the silent prayer issue, I think that it is important to highlight that the Supreme Court also recognised silent prayer in its views on the Northern Ireland legislation, and acknowledged that it could cause distress.

As for other types of protest, as I have said previously, the legislation is narrow and specifically covers people who protest against abortion or who offer the pro-life message. Other demonstrations do not fall under the legislation.

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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

I think that legislation needs to be reviewed, so I am interested to hear how committee responds to that in its report.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

It is difficult to get inside the thoughts and views of a woman who is accessing abortion services. I want to ensure that they can do that as safely as possible, avoiding the demonstrations that are specifically directed at them at a time of, I am sure, great stress and emotion. That is what the bill sets out.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

Abortion is highly regulated in healthcare, which is incredibly important. The committee heard some important evidence from women who had accessed abortion services that they were slightly surprised at the level of questioning and advice that they got to ensure that they were making the right decisions for themselves. I thought that that evidence was very powerful.

You also heard what I felt was very powerful evidence from Professor Cameron about the level of support that members of staff give to women who are exploring or seeking abortion. When leaflets that have been handed out by protesters or people holding vigils were shared with members of the committee, it was clear that they did not contain the right medical information. I find that concerning. It was noted in evidence that, after some women had received those leaflets, the staff in the facilities had to provide more assurance—which is right, as all the questions should be asked. However, I go back to what I said earlier, which is that abortions are very regulated, and the healthcare that is provided is very regulated and supported. I believe that it is from healthcare professionals that people should be seeking that level of advice and support.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

I think that, in evidence to you, the police made it clear that they would not be asking people whether they were praying, which I believe happened to one of the women who gave evidence to you. As I said earlier, there would have to be other things around the demonstrations, which the police would look for.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

What we are protecting individuals and society from is the intention to cause alarm and distress and impede access.