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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 January 2025
Siobhian Brown
The amendments in this group are largely technical. The main amendment is 315, which, at the request of the SLCC, puts a matter beyond doubt by expressly providing that the SLCC can initiate a conduct or regulatory complaint. Amendments 314, 317, 320, 356, 381 and 479 are consequential on that change.
Amendment 313 is a minor amendment to ensure consistency of language.
Amendment 318 is a minor change that is consequential on the removal from the 2007 act of section 2(4), which relates to premature complaints, in favour of the SLCC covering the issue in its rules instead.
Amendment 492 and the related amendment 330 make a technical change to the bill to write out the necessary modifications of sections 48 to 52 of the 2007 act, so that regulators can use those in connection with the investigation of a regulatory complaint in addition to a conduct complaint.
Amendment 493 corrects a cross-reference.
Amendment 362 changes the title of section 23 of the 2007 act to better reflect the content of the revised section, following amendment by the bill, to include reference to handling complaints, which are complaints about the handling of conduct and regulatory complaints.
Amendment 363 allows the SLCC to investigate the handling of a conduct or regulatory complaint by a relevant professional organisation after the six-month expiry deadline where it is considered that there have been exceptional circumstances.
09:45Amendments 364 and 365 are minor and technical amendments. Amendments 366 to 369 make minor procedural changes to the consideration of handling complaints by the SLCC. Amendments 370 and 371 correct typographical errors, and amendment 449 corrects an incorrect cross-reference. Amendments 451 and 460 update cross-references to other provisions of the bill, and amendments 474 to 477 make further consequential changes. Amendment 471 sets out what decisions the Scottish Solicitors Discipline Tribunal is required to publish and provides it with the flexibility to publish any other decision that it feels is necessary.
Each of the following remaining amendments in the group are minor correcting technical or consequential amendments. They are amendments 480, 482, 483, 485 to 491, 495 to 498 and 500. I ask members to support the amendments in the group.
I move amendment 313.
Amendment 313 agreed to.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 January 2025
Siobhian Brown
Amendments 473, 509, 510, 516 and 520 will make a number of technical amendments to the Solicitors (Scotland) Act 1980, following substantive changes that will be made to that act by other parts of the bill.
Amendment 501 will amend the 1980 act in relation to the Law Society’s function of keeping and maintaining a roll of solicitors, with changes including imposing requirements regarding the accessibility of the roll, reflecting modern practice and technology. Amendment 501 will also make similar changes to the 1990 act.
Amendment 502 will allow that, where the tribunal decides not to restore a solicitor’s name to the roll, that solicitor can appeal the decision to the court. It also makes an equivalent provision relating to registered European lawyers and foreign lawyers.
12:00Amendment 506 will allow the Law Society, subject to certain safeguards, to rely on a previous conviction being fact when investigating a discipline matter. That should prevent delay in conduct investigations.
Amendments 511 to 513 will make changes to schedule 4 to the 1980 act, which is on the constitution, procedure and powers of the tribunal. The main changes are about improving the complaints process and include: the introduction of a requirement that each solicitor member must have in force a practising certificate when appointed; a new requirement for a copy of every decision by the tribunal to be sent to the commission; and a duty on the Law Society to give effect to that decision.
Amendment 514 will allow that, where the tribunal dismisses a complaint of professional misconduct on the part of a solicitor, or of failure on the part of an authorised legal business before inquiring into the complaint, either the council or the complainer, as appropriate, can appeal the decision to the court.
Amendment 515 sets out that any decision of the court in relation to an appeal is final.
Amendment 517 will add to the Disclosure (Scotland) Act 2020 a list of offences that relate to the legal profession. That will have the effect of making convictions for those offences disclosable convictions under that act.
Amendments 518, 519 and 521 will make minor and technical amendments that relate to offences.
I ask members to support the amendments in the group.
I move amendment 473.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 January 2025
Siobhian Brown
If I may, convener, I will just make a correction to something that I said.
Amendment 514 allows that, where the tribunal dismisses a complaint of professional misconduct on the part of the solicitor or of failure on the part of an authorised legal business before inquiring into the complaint, either the Law Society—not the council, as I said earlier—or the complainer, as appropriate, can appeal the decision to the court.
Thank you, convener.
Amendment 473 agreed to.
Amendments 474 to 478 moved—[Siobhian Brown]—and agreed to.
Amendment 640 not moved.
Amendments 479 to 497 moved—[Siobhian Brown]—and agreed to.
Amendment 650 not moved.
Amendments 498 to 502 moved—[Siobhian Brown]—and agreed to.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 January 2025
Siobhian Brown
Amendments 322, 324 to 329 and 525 will amend new section 52B, on “Regulatory complaints: duty of regulator to investigate etc”, which the bill will insert into the Legal Profession and Legal Aid (Scotland) Act 2007.
Amendment 525 will allow, subject to notification requirements, relevant professional organisations to make a decision to discontinue an investigation of regulatory complaint or to reinstate the investigation of a discontinued regulatory complaint, but only if the organisation considers that it is in the public interest to do so. Amendments 322, 323, 325, 329, 386 and 387 will make minor technical corrective changes.
Amendments 324, 326 and 327 will place additional requirements on relevant professional organisations in respect of what they must include in their report of the determination.
Amendment 328 requires relevant professional organisations, in considering what action to take, if any, to take into account any decision taken by the SLCC in respect of a services complaint against the practitioner where that complaint arises from the same matter to which the regulatory complaint relates.
Those amendments are the outcome of engagement between the Law Society of Scotland and the Scottish Legal Complaints Commission.
Amendments 388 and 390 will alter new sections 33A and 33B of the 2007 act, as inserted by the bill. The new sections allow relevant professional organisations to investigate conduct or regulatory complaints arising from their regulatory monitoring without first sending them to the SLCC. The amendments require the relevant professional organisation, in either a conduct complaint case or a regulatory complaint case, to be satisfied that, if the matter were referred to the SLCC, it would be considered by the SLCC to be either an eligible conduct complaint or an eligible regulatory complaint, respectively.???Amendment 389 is a technical amendment that is consequential to amendment 390.
Amendment 529 inserts new section 33C into the 2007 act, allowing relevant professional organisations to recategorise a conduct or regulatory complaint, subject to notifying the commission.
Amendment 530 amends section 33 of the 2007 act. It outlines what actions relevant professional organisations should take where it becomes apparent that a complaint may have been wrongly categorised as either regulatory or conduct during the investigation of that complaint or during the mediation process, and that it should instead be a services complaint. Where that happens, the amendment requires relevant professional organisations to suspend the investigation, consult the SLCC on the matter and send over the relevant material to allow the SLCC to take over the complaint. In addition, the relevant professional organisation must inform the complainer and the practitioner that the complaint will now be led by the SLCC.
Amendment 531 will give all relevant professional organisations the flexibility, subject to notification requirements, to discontinue a conduct complaint remitted to it or to reinstate a discontinued conduct complaint, but only if the relevant professional organisation considers it to be in the public interest to do so.
Amendment 393 will have the effect of requiring the relevant professional organisation, after investigating a conduct complaint, to make a written report to the complainer, the practitioner and the SLCC on any facts of the matter found by the organisation and on what action the organisation proposes to take, if any. If the organisation does not propose to take or has not taken any action in the matter, an explanation of why that is the case must be outlined in the report.???Amendment 392 is a consequential change.
Amendment 394 adds to section 47 of the 2007 act a requirement to the relevant professional organisation, in considering what action to take, if any, to take into account any decision taken by the SLCC in respect of a services complaint against the practitioner where that services complaint arises from the same matter to which the conduct complaint relates.
Amendment 532 is consequential and leaves out section 68(3) of the bill, which would have inserted new section 52A into the 2007 act in order to adopt the same approach as that taken in relation to regulatory complaints and new section 52B of the 2007 act, as amended by amendment 328.
Amendment 425 removes the provisions excluding the power of the Scottish Solicitors’ Disciplinary Tribunal to act where a solicitor or legal business has been convicted of economic crime. The Economic Crime and Corporate Transparency Act 2023 creates an exception for an economic crime offence, because it was considered to be more of a deterrent if a solicitor could be fined by the SSDT, even after having served a jail sentence. The policy intention here is that the same deterrent of an unlimited fine should apply across the board and that the special provisions relating to economic crime are unnecessary. It is, of course, a matter for the SSDT to take account of the facts and circumstances in each case in the exercise of its powers.
Amendment 428 outlines that, where the solicitor has been convicted of a criminal offence in relation to the subject matter of the SSDT’s inquiry, the SSDT must, when deciding whether to exercise a power under section 53(2) of the Solicitors (Scotland) Act 1980, have regard to the conviction.??The amendment also removes other amendments to section 53 of the 1980 act, on SSDT powers, made by the Economic Crime and Corporate Transparency Act 2023.
Amendment 435 provides the Court of Session with the power to create an unlimited for solicitors or authorised legal businesses in relation to conduct complaints.
Amendments 423, 424, 426, 427, 429 to 434, 436 and 437 are all minor and technical amendments to the 1980 Act.
I urge the committee to support all the amendments in this group, and I move amendment 525.
Amendment 525 agreed to.
Amendments 322 to 330 moved—[Siobhian Brown]—and agreed to.
Section 55, as amended, agreed to.
Section 56—Services complaint: sanctions
Amendments 331 to 334 moved—[Siobhian Brown]—and agreed to.
Section 56, as amended, agreed to.
Section 57—Commission decision making and delegation
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 January 2025
Siobhian Brown
Amendments 347 to 355 will make changes to section 60, which is on disclosure of information by practitioners to the SLCC and relevant professional organisations. Section 60 will amend section 17 of the 2007 act, which allows the SLCC in certain circumstances to require a practitioner to produce documents, with the exception of documents that are subject to legal privilege, relating to the complaint. Despite that exception, amendments 347 and 350 will allow the disclosure of such documents by a practitioner with the client’s consent.
Section 48 of the 2007 act enables a relevant professional organisation in certain circumstances to require a practitioner to produce documents, with the exception of documents that are subject to legal privilege. Amendment 353 will not prevent disclosure of such documents where the client consents to their disclosure.
Amendments 348 and 354 will expand the definition of “documents” to make it clear that it includes references to anything in which information is recorded in any form, in order to provide the SLCC with additional scope to compel from a practitioner provision of relevant documents that might be helpful in determining a case.
Amendment 349 will introduce a power for the SLCC to uphold a services complaint where a practitioner has failed without reasonable excuse to comply with the requirement to provide information in relation to a complaint. In the stage 1 evidence sessions, the committee heard that around 300 solicitors a year do not reply on time to a statutory notice, which accounts for around a quarter of the complaints that are received. Although court orders are an option, they are not always effective, and there are recent examples of solicitors being held in contempt for failing to comply with a court order. Amendment 349 will enable the SLCC to proceed to determine a services complaint, in the event that a practitioner who is subject to a statutory notice to provide information or documents refuses or fails to do so within the specified time and without a reasonable excuse. The amendment will require the SLCC to notify the practitioner and their employer of their intention to determine the case, giving them at least 14 days to provide a reasonable explanation or the information. The SLCC may also draw an appropriate inference from the practitioner’s failure to provide the requested information or documents within the required time.
Amendment 351 is a minor technical amendment.
Amendment 352 will require a relevant professional organisation, where it issues a notice requiring the production or delivery of documents directly to the practitioner, to also send a copy of the notice to their employing practitioner, where that is relevant, in order to ensure that they are aware that the request is being made.
Amendment 355 will allow the relevant professional organisations to determine a conduct or regulatory complaint, in the event that a practitioner who is subject to a section 48(1) notice to provide information or documents refuses or fails to provide the information or documents within the specified time and without a reasonable excuse. The relevant professional organisation is required to notify the practitioner and their employer of their intention to determine the complaint. The notice of intention must give the practitioner at least 14 days, or such greater period as the relevant professional organisation considers appropriate, to provide a reasonable explanation, or the information, before the case is determined.
Amendments 357 to 361 will make changes to proposed new section 17A that the bill will insert in the 2007 act. That will enable the SLCC to obtain a practitioner’s contact details from the relevant professional organisation for certain purposes, where it considers it necessary to do so in relation to a complaint.
Amendment 357 will extend the SLCC’s powers to enable it to request contact details from the relevant professional organisation relating to the practitioner, practitioner’s firm, employing practitioner or persons holding a specified role, or exercising a specified function, in the practitioner’s firm or for the employing practitioner.
Amendment 358 will provide that relevant professional organisations must respond to a request under section 17(1) without delay, rather than “as soon as practicable”.?The SLCC requested that change in order to prevent delays in a complaint being progressed.
Amendments 359 and 360 will add assessment of the eligibility of a complaint to the list of purposes for which the SLCC can request practitioner’s details from relevant professional organisations in connection with complaints.
Amendment 361 will make it clear that the relevant professional organisation is required to provide the contact details of practitioners that they hold, whether or not those practitioners are authorised to provide legal services. The amendment addresses the issue, which the SLCC identified, of trying to track down practitioners who have stopped practising since the complaint was made.
?I appreciate the intention behind amendments 644, 645 and 650, which are in the name of Paul O’Kane, and which seek to ensure that regulatory bodies have sufficient powers to investigate complaints. I understand that the amendments are intended to provide that a relevant professional organisation may seek information prior to lodging a complaint. Such proactive regulation is, of course, important, but I consider that the bill already allows for that, so I view the amendments as unnecessary.
Section 67(3) of the bill, which will insert proposed new section 33A into the 2007 act, allows the Law Society, or any legal regulator, to raise a complaint in its own name without being required to first raise the complaint with the SLCC. The regulator has the power under section 48 of the 2007 act to require information that relates to investigation of the complaint.
Amendment 355, which is in my name, will allow the relevant professional organisation to determine a conduct or regulatory complaint in the event that a practitioner, who is subject to a section 48(1) notice, fails to provide the requested information or documents within the specified time and without reasonable excuse.?
Amendment 531, which is also in my name, will allow the Law Society to discontinue a conduct complaint where they consider that it is in the public interest to do so.
Those measures seek to ensure that the Law Society and other legal regulators have open to them the appropriate mechanisms to properly investigate complaints.??Proactive regulation, which is already enabled by the bill, allows issues to be identified early, which can prevent harm to consumers or the public. The authorisation of legal businesses allows the Law Society to identify and address deficiencies early and take the necessary preventative action. Although in-house solicitors are subject to the Law Society’s practice rules, they are also subject to an internal review of their performance and to annual appraisal by their employer.
I hold concerns that Paul O’Kane’s amendments, as drafted, are overly broad and unrestricted. The granting of pre-complaint investigatory powers is not unprecedented, but must be exercised proportionately in order to maintain trust and to avoid undermining those who are being regulated.? It is entirely inappropriate for the Law Society to have powers that might interfere with the prosecutorial independence of the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service, and the Lord Advocate. That concern has been raised with the Law Society.?
For the reasons that I have set out, I am unable to support amendments 644, 645 and 650, so I ask Mr O’Kane not to press his amendments.?If they are pressed, I urge members not to support them. I ask members to support all my amendments in the group.
I move amendment 347.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 January 2025
Siobhian Brown
I note the committee’s positive response to the introduction of the SLCC’s power to investigate complaints against unregulated legal services providers. As I set out in my response to the committee’s stage 1 report, a body’s presence on the register will not affect the SLCC’s ability to consider services complaints about it or its practitioners. The SLCC will be able to consider a services complaint against any unregulated legal services practitioner, regardless of whether they or their employer are on the register. That will provide new protection for consumers, given that will writing and confirmation services can be provided by unregulated providers.
The intention behind the existence of the register is to provide what we might call a kitemark to those providers who wish to join the scheme, in recognition that those legal services providers are part of a consumer redress scheme. That would allow consumers to make an informed choice when selecting legal services.
The Scottish Government has previously considered the question whether the register should be mandatory for all unregulated legal services providers, as outlined in Tess White’s amendments 646 to 649. However, it is considered that enforcing such a measure would present significant challenges and the proposals in the bill take a proportionate approach. As highlighted, the fact that the register is voluntary will not affect whether the SLCC can consider a complaint relating to a particular unregulated provider, or their employer, and an unregulated provider who is not registered could face a higher amount of the equivalent of the complaints levy. Therefore, rather than—
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 January 2025
Siobhian Brown
Absolutely. I take on board Maggie Chapman’s comments. I think that the message should be communicated with a high profile, to ensure that anyone who seeks legal advice is aware of the register. When we move on to stage 3, I would like to discuss how we could strengthen that aspect as well.
I return to my earlier points. Rather than agree to Tess White’s amendments 646 to 649, I ask members to support the approach that the bill takes to ensure that the regulation is proportionate, risk based and agile.
Turning to the other amendments in the group, the purpose of amendment 372 is to require, rather than to allow, the commission to create a register of unregulated legal services providers. The aim of this provision is to strengthen the position following the committee’s stage 1 recommendation to create a mandatory register of unregulated legal services providers.
Amendment 373 will require the commission to use its resources to fund the register and to
“investigate, determine and review services complaints against unregulated providers of legal services.”
Amendment 374 is a minor corrective amendment. Those amendments have been shared and agreed with the Scottish Legal Complaints Commission and they align with the committee’s previous recommendations.
I therefore ask members to support amendments 372 to 374 in my name.
I ask Tess White not to press amendment 646 and not to move amendments 647 to 649. If they are pressed, I ask members not to support them.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 January 2025
Siobhian Brown
I believe that Scottish Government amendments 273 and 642 achieve the intention behind Pam Gosal’s amendment 549 and Paul O’Kane’s amendments 555 and 641, given that our amendments relate to qualifying individuals and will also cover registered foreign lawyers where appropriate.
I know that the issue is very technical, so I am happy to have further discussions before stage 3 on how we can improve things.
Amendment 271 agreed to.
Amendment 272 moved—[Siobhian Brown]—and agreed to.
Section 38, as amended, agreed to.
Section 39—Requirement for legal businesses to be authorised to provide legal services
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 January 2025
Siobhian Brown
Amendments 47, 522 and 466 will make the necessary changes to legislation to reflect the change of name of the Association of Commercial Attorneys to the Association of Construction Attorneys. The association sought that change following the introduction of the bill, and that was approved under section 42 of the Law Reform (Miscellaneous Provisions) (Scotland) Act 1990.
Schedule 1 of the bill would make a variety of changes to the Solicitors (Scotland) Act 1980 with respect to the Law Society becoming a category 1 regulator and the move to entity regulation.
Amendments 5 to 37, with the exception of amendments 15, 24 and 27, are minor or consequential modifications to part 1 of schedule 1 and relate to the Law Society’s functions.
Amendment 24 removes paragraph 22 from part 2 of schedule 1 of the bill, because it is no longer required.
Amendments 412, 413 and 507 make consequential amendments, following a change of name in the bill from the “guarantee fund” to the “client protection fund”. Amendment 11 allows the client protection fund to provide grants, as well as loans, to judicial factors appointed, in order to mitigate the risk of any further pecuniary losses being suffered by the clients of such a person by reason of dishonesty. The amendment reflects engagement with the Law Society, which sought that addition.
Paragraph 6(6) of schedule 1 inserts a new section into the 1980 act to enable the Scottish ministers to, by regulations, adjust section 43 and schedule 3 of the 1980 act in respect of the circumstances when claims can be made and the maximum amount of any grant payable, and in connection with administrative matters.
Amendment 15 restricts the exercise of that regulation-making power only to those cases in which the Scottish ministers have received a request from either a regulator, the Lord President or the consumer panel to do so. Before making such a request, the requester must have consulted the regulatory committee, the Lord President and the consumer panel and must also have secured the Lord President’s agreement to making the request. The provision sets out what information must be provided to the Lord President when seeking their agreement and requires the requester to publish certain documents.
Amendments 461 to 465 make minor and consequential modifications to enactments in connection with regulatory objectives, professional principles and new regulators in part 1 of schedule 3 of the bill.
I move amendment 47 in my name and ask members to support the other amendments in the group.
Amendment 47 agreed to.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 January 2025
Siobhian Brown
Amendments 48 to 50 have been lodged in response to concerns raised by the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee and legal stakeholders that section 8 might be used to alter the categorisation of the Law Society of Scotland or the Faculty of Advocates.
The amendments reduce the breadth of the delegated power to be conferred by section 8(5). As amended, that power will allow Scottish ministers to alter only the category of a regulator that is assigned by the bill, for example by making a significant change to a regulator’s composition or the way that it operates. The power will not capture the Law Society or the Faculty of Advocates. As an additional safeguard, the regulation-making power may only be exercised at the request of the Lord President. Amendment 49 is a technical amendment to add a more specific cross-reference to the power.
I move amendment 48 and ask members to support the other amendments in the group.
Amendment 48 agreed to.
Amendments 49 and 50 moved—[Siobhian Brown]—and agreed to.
Section 8, as amended, agreed to.
Section 9—Exercise of regulatory functions