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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 April 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Natalie Don-Innes

Fabulous.

I thank all the witnesses for appearing, particularly given the very early start. I briefly suspend the meeting to allow the witnesses to change over.

09:28 Meeting suspended.  

09:35 On resuming—  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Natalie Don-Innes

Pam Duncan-Glancy has a follow-up question. After that, you can move on to your next questions.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Natalie Don-Innes

Before we move on to our next questions, I want to address something that we have not touched on. We have heard that the ethical commissioning strategies must reflect the principles of the national care service. Important in that is including the principle of fair work. To what extent do you feel that those strategies will ensure that fair work is embedded in the national care service? I will go to Cara Stevenson first, because I know that the GMB commented on that.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Natalie Don-Innes

Do you think that the principles need to be stronger?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Convener and Deputy Convener

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Natalie Don-Innes

We move to the appointment of our new convener. On 15 June 2021, the Parliament agreed by motion S6M-00393 that members of the Scottish National Party are eligible to be chosen as convener and deputy convener of this committee. I ask members for nominations for our new convener.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Convener and Deputy Convener

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Natalie Don-Innes

I welcome Emma Roddick as the deputy convener. We will suspend very briefly to change seats.

08:01 Meeting suspended.  

08:02 On resuming—  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Natalie Don-Innes

Our next item of business is a decision on whether to take items 6 and 7 in private. Do members agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Natalie Don-Innes

We come to our main item of business. We will hear evidence from two panels of witnesses on the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. I welcome to the meeting our first panel. Adam Stachura, head of policy and communications at Age Scotland is with us in the room. Joining us remotely are Dr Pauline Nolan, head of leadership and civic partnership at Inclusion Scotland; Suzanne Munday, Gypsy/Traveller service lead at the Minority Ethnic Carers of People Project; and Paul Traynor, head of external affairs at Carers Trust Scotland.

I will make a few points about the format of the meeting before we begin. I ask that virtual witnesses and members please wait until I or the members asking the questions say your name before speaking. Virtual witnesses, please allow our broadcasting colleagues a few seconds to turn on your microphone before you start to speak. Indicate with an R in the dialogue box in BlueJeans, or simply with a show of your hand, if you wish to come in on a question. Please do not feel that you all have to answer every single question. If you have nothing new to add to what has been said by others, that is absolutely fine because we have a lot to cover. I ask everyone to keep questions, answers and any follow-up questions tight.

Colleagues in the room should indicate to me or the clerk if they wish to come in and ask a supplementary question. Committee members online should use the chat box or WhatsApp. We are tight for time, but I will try to give all members an opportunity for questioning. I will move straight to members’ questions.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Natalie Don-Innes

We will now move on to questions on theme 3, charter advocacy and complaints. I will move first to Foysol Choudhury for his question.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Natalie Don-Innes

I see that Dr Nolan wants to come in on that point.