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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 April 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Natalie Don-Innes

I thank the minister and all the other witnesses who joined us this morning. The evidence sessions have been very helpful.

That concludes our public business for today. Next week, we will take evidence from VoiceAbility on its progress to date on providing independent advocacy under the Social Security (Scotland) Act 2018. We will also consider an instrument relating to the Scottish child payment regulations.

10:59 Meeting continued in private until 11:31.  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Natalie Don-Innes

We will move on to our next theme. There has been quite a bit of crossover in our discussion, so I believe that only one member wants to come in here.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Natalie Don-Innes

Fabulous. In that case, we will move on to our third theme, which is homelessness. We will hear first from the deputy convener, Emma Roddick.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Natalie Don-Innes

Foysol Choudhury, who joins us online, has a question.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Natalie Don-Innes

We move to a supplementary question from James Dornan, who joins us online.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Natalie Don-Innes

Good morning, and welcome to the 30th meeting in 2022 of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee. Under agenda item 1, do we agree to take item 3 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Natalie Don-Innes

In our main item of business today, we will take evidence from two panels on the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. This is our second evidence session on the bill.

I welcome our first panel. With us in the room are Frank McKillop, head of policy and research, Enable Scotland; Rachel Cackett, chief executive officer, Coalition of Care and Support Providers in Scotland; Beth Reid, senior policy officer, Crisis; Chris Gehrke, community leader/director, L’Arche Highland; and Andrew Ewen, chief of staff, Leonard Cheshire. Joining us remotely is Sheena Arthur, partnership manager for health and social care, Glasgow Council for the Voluntary Sector.

Before we start, I will make a few points about the format of the meeting. I ask Sheena Arthur and committee members who are attending remotely to wait for me or the member who is asking the question to say their name before they speak. Sheena, please allow our broadcasting colleagues a few seconds to turn on your microphone before you start to speak. You can indicate that you wish to respond to a question by typing the letter R in the dialogue box in BlueJeans, or simply by showing your hand.

I say to all our witnesses that you should not feel that you have to answer every question. If you have nothing new to add to what others have said, that is fine. We have a big panel and we have a lot to cover, so I ask everyone to keep questions, answers and any follow-up questions tight, please.

Colleagues who are in the room should indicate to me or the clerk that they wish to ask a supplementary question. I ask all members to direct their questions to a specific member of the panel. Committee members who are online should use the chat box or WhatsApp. We are quite tight for time, but I will try to give all members opportunities for questioning.

We move straight to questions.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Natalie Don-Innes

Okay. Thank you. We move to questions from Foysol Choudhury, to be followed by Paul McLennan.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Natalie Don-Innes

I welcome to the meeting our second panel of witnesses. Kevin Stewart, the Minister for Mental Wellbeing and Social Care, is accompanied by Scottish Government officials Ian Turner, the deputy director for adult social care workforce and fair work, and Anna Kynaston, the deputy director of national care service programme design, engagement and legislation.

I invite the minister to make an opening statement.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

Natalie Don-Innes

Thank you, minister. Overall, 72 per cent of respondents to the consultation on the national care service agreed that the Scottish ministers should be accountable for the delivery of social care through a national care service. What would be the benefits of having that accountability at a ministerial level?