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That was a very helpful answer.

I ask Mick Hogg the same question. How could a smart, integrated ticketing system be achieved? Are the Scottish and UK Governments taking action to deliver on that? Could integrated ticketing in practice be a challenge for workers, due to the ticket applying to more than one method of public transport? Please give me your views on that.

Thank you all for your answers. I have no further questions.

Michael, you touched on this earlier. I put the same question to you, with a short supplementary. Do you feel that an integrated ticketing system would benefit not only the public but the rail industry in the long run?

Hello, panel. The committee has heard calls for better integration of walking, cycling and bus and rail services, including smart ticketing. Just last week, Scotland’s Climate Assembly told the committee that it wanted a much more integrated and joined-up way of travelling and a mechanism for making public transport cheaper, particularly for low-income families. How can that best be achieved? Are the Scottish and UK Governments taking the right action to deliver that goal?

I do—it is about land use, which I know is quite a different topic. I noted the comments about community land ownership in the assembly’s response. In what ways do you think that communities can be better supported to address the climate emergency? Do you believe that outright ownership of assets is the only way forward, or could better partnership working also achieve the goals? What additional policies would the assembly like to see implemented?

It is nice to see you all. You have answered the questions fully, so I will pick up on a couple of points that stick out. I will focus on the assembly’s feeling that the Scottish Government’s response to the sustainable diet public information campaigns recommendation is inadequate. What new initiatives and public information campaigns do you recommend?

To follow on from that, I add that those who are informed and aware of the situation know about the need to make more sustainable choices, but doing that is not always possible for people who are on low incomes. We touched on that when we talked about bulk packaging in our shops. Does the assembly have other ways or ideas to open up choices for everyone?

Before we move on to Foysol Choudhury, I believe that Evelyn Tweed has a question on one of the points raised in this theme.

Apologies for sticking with the same theme—I will bring in Pam Duncan-Glancy now.

That brings us to the end of the evidence session, as I do not think that anybody else wants to come in on that question. I thank all the witnesses for their evidence. Your answers and comments have been extremely helpful. I remind you that, if there are any points that you feel you might have missed, you are more than welcome to follow up in writing.

I suspend the meeting briefly for a change of witnesses and a comfort break.

If Micheleine Kane has anything to add, that would be great.