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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Mr Briggs will be aware that there are inconsistencies in kinship care itself, and in what some kinship carers are entitled to and what others are not. Over and above the disparity between kinship care and fostering that you have alluded to, there are other issues with regard to what kinship carers themselves are entitled to. There are also issues with definitions and legal matters. I am looking into how we can best support kinship carers, because I believe that they are fundamental to our delivery of the Promise.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I have certainly heard those concerns before, and I am very aware of them. I will bring in Iona Colvin in a second, but I will say that I appreciate the member’s points about our messaging in that regard. It is not strictly part of the Promise bill, but we can certainly continue to work on that.

That brings me back to some of the points that Iona Colvin made about ensuring that social workers have the experience that they require when entering the role and have people with experience to draw from. I do not know whether Iona has anything to add about recruitment.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Well, I imagine that, as we work to deliver the Promise and we provide appropriate support for children and young people, and we keep more children at home, more children would have less reason to act out or engage in behaviour that would mean that they would be excluded from school.

That is in line with our work to deliver on the aims of the Promise. However, I am not aware of the council paper that you have brought to me, convener. I am more than happy to go away and look at that, and to discuss it with officials and look into what action can be taken around that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I think that that goes back to my position around inconsistencies with local authorities and the need to really drive best practice forward across all 32 authorities. If discussions have to be had around how best to enact practice around exclusions, that can absolutely be taken forward.

We are in 2025, and there is still a way to go—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Absolutely—I believe that that should happen at the beginning. I believe that there should be an understanding of over how long that would take place, and whether 15 minutes would grow into an hour, three hours or whatever period may be right for that child. I believe that a plan should be in place for that child to ensure the journey of travel back to the school day.

I know of many cases where that is happening—to go back to virtual schools and virtual headteachers—and I have spoken to children who have made that transition back into school. However, I believe that a plan is important to ensure that that is effective and that everybody knows what is expected of them.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I believe so. I appreciate that there are difficulties, and I know that some areas are finding it to be more complex than others. That goes back to what we spoke about at the beginning of the meeting in relation to the Promise progress framework and sharing best practice across the country. Sometimes, things seem too difficult until you see how other people are doing it, and then that can have a really big impact. Really positive things are going on. We still have a way to go with regard to bringing about transformational change, but I know that it is happening and I have seen some of the benefits that it is having already.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I did not say that it is not a problem. I said that I recognise the pressures that the social work workforce is under, and we are taking steps to support them and to improve that picture.

I will bring in Iona Colvin in a second, but I want to speak about some of the things that we are doing to provide support. We have alluded to the national social work agency. We have also delivered improvements to funding for student social workers, and we are working at pace to deliver a new work-based professional social work qualification in the academic year 2025-26. We are making improvements to the system to support learning and development, and a supported year for newly qualified social workers has been rolled out to provide support in the first year through some people with experience who can help.

I can speak more on those things, but that is a high-level overview of some of the steps that we are taking to improve things in the social work workforce. Perhaps Iona Colvin could expand on that a little.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Of course I do. I respect this Parliament.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I will respond to your report; I am still considering the bill itself. I appreciate that we are a day away from the debate. I met Liz Smith last week to discuss the Government’s on-going concerns about the bill, and I will respond to the committee in due course.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I believe that—