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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Natalie Don-Innes

That is the case with many things in the bill, as has been alluded to. That is something that will be looked at.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Natalie Don-Innes

I have seen COSLA’s comments and I am aware of them. As I said, we will be engaging on the matter.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Natalie Don-Innes

That is a point that Social Work Scotland made. I reiterate that Social Work Scotland was involved in the initial discussions. As I said, that is something that is on-going. If Social Work Scotland has now raised those concerns, they will be looked at and discussed as we move forward. I appreciate those concerns.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Natalie Don-Innes

Cross-border placements should really only be used in exceptional circumstances and I know that other committees have heard powerful evidence about what those circumstances are. The issue with cross-border placements is the fact that England simply does not have enough capacity, and that should not impact on children in Scotland if there is no place in secure care for them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Natalie Don-Innes

There will need to be a gradual change with the costs, but I have already mentioned the last-bed pilot and the increase to 16 beds, which will ensure capacity for Scottish children while reducing the capacity for cross-border placements from England. I emphasise that we are cognisant of the fact that cross-border placements will still be required to happen in exceptional circumstances, but only when it is absolutely essential for the child’s welfare.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Natalie Don-Innes

Yes. At the moment, the costs for secure care are significantly higher than the cost for young offenders institutions. For the exact detail on that, I will pass over to my official, Brendan Rooney.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Natalie Don-Innes

Yes, absolutely. That is why I am saying that we really do not want those placements to happen unless they are absolutely essential or for exceptional circumstances. We do not want to remove a young person from everything that they know and from resources and support networks that could be around them. In essence, then, the answer to your question is yes.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Natalie Don-Innes

As far as I am aware, that would take place through the usual budget process. However, if such a specific situation were to become an issue, it could be monitored. In addition, the secure care centres in Scotland are discussing how they can manage such issues. I am confident, therefore, that that could be managed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Natalie Don-Innes

I am sorry, but I cannot necessarily give an answer as to why those bodies feel that they could not engage. They were involved in the group that was set up to establish the financial memorandum and have been engaged in the continued discussions. You said that the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service had raised concerns. Is that correct?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Natalie Don-Innes

I apologise if I have given the impression that I think that more information will be coming forward. What I meant is that the information that we have gathered from stakeholders thus far, and the evidence that we have heard in committees, will ultimately feed into that process, whereby stakeholders and organisations can come together with Government to discuss those issues and present new costs.

It is not that I believe that there will be any new information. The new memorandum will be based on the discussions and the work of the working group that has already been going on thus far, which will feed into it.