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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

Apologies—I misheard the question. I was referring to the discussion on elected members relating to MSPs in the previous committee scrutiny and discussion.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

I have given you some of the reasons why that has been on-going. It was agreed that the act would be implemented—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

This is a member’s bill. Are you referring to the Government’s projections?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

I agree that more should be done for outdoor learning for all children and young people in Scotland. As I said, great things are happening but there are inconsistencies. I am very aware of that and am continuing work to drive that outdoor learning agenda as much as possible for all children and young people and, of course, for those with additional support needs.

I go back to some of the visits I have been on and especially to a visit to an outdoor nursery. I could not believe how enthusiastically and positively staff spoke about the impact that the outdoor setting had had on some children with additional support needs and about the difference made by getting out of the classroom and into the woods. That really was marvellous and I very much support trying to increase that as far as possible.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

It was set up to drive, as much as is possible, my agenda for outdoor learning that I have already spoken about.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

I know that there has been discussion in Government about it in relation to other aspects of the portfolio, such as the Promise—which, obviously, I am not here to talk about. It is something that I believe the Government is interested in. If we can secure funds to improve the lives of people in Scotland, we are absolutely committed to doing so.

I was keen to learn more about the public trust model but, with regard to this specific bill, I do not believe that it is suitable to include that model in a statutory duty. With a statutory duty, funding has to be guaranteed year on year via the budget process. With a public trust model, there could be years when private investment was not forthcoming, which would mean that the Government would be responsible for paying a higher share, however the proportions were originally worked out. Public trust funding is not reliable. Although it works in other areas and could be used to improve the estate, it is not viable to include it in the statutory duties that would be introduced by the bill.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

I might have to come back to the committee with a full breakdown relating to that timeline, which covers quite a lengthy period of time. I can say, based on my time in this role, that the number of outdoor learning opportunities for children and young people is increasing. I do not know if my officials have anything to add.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

I do not think that that is a fair accusation.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

We know that that is a problem. As the committee heard during its scrutiny of the bill, and as Saskia Kearns alluded to, there is a lack of data on the number of pupils who are able to access such residential trips. When it comes to the bill, it is a real concern that we do not know the number of children who cannot access a trip. Equally, we do not necessarily know what would need to be built or renovated and what sort of capital works would be required to ensure access for all.