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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

I would need to understand some of the context around that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

I can bring in Gareth Wilks to speak more about how Disclosure Scotland has been engaging with organisations to date but, as I have highlighted and emphasised, the three-month period is when engagement will take place with a much higher sense of urgency, and I would expect any last-minute barriers or issues that organisations are facing to come to the forefront.

I invite Gareth to speak about the engagement to date.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

Yes. That is the case.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

That perhaps came up in previous evidence sessions. I am speaking about school level, but the proposal is to put things in statute while taking away the flexibility for local authorities and schools to decide what is best, either for their areas or for their pupils. That is probably another concern for me, and the matter was raised during a previous evidence session. Proposals were also made to ring fence funding—and that relates to Mr Greer’s points about Verity house.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

It would not stop that happening.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

I can provide the committee with subjective evidence once that evaluation has taken place.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

That poses a difficulty. I will bring in officials to speak to how pupils might be tracked. That is a risk. We do not want any children or young people to lose out on that experience. Some young people might not be ready for it at one age but might want to come back to it later. There is difficulty in ensuring that every pupil gets the access that they would be entitled to.

I will bring in Saskia Kearns to speak to how that would be monitored, if it could be monitored.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

In the evidence that I have given today, I have been very clear that rejecting the bill is not a move against outdoor centres. I have spoken very positively about the impact that outdoor centres can have on children and young people and the benefits of that. In fact, in discussions with Ms Smith, I alluded to potential non-legislative options such as securing private investment to aid with reinvestment and capital building works, in order to bring some of the centres back into a better state.

Regardless of whether the bill is accepted or it falls, I have already made a clear commitment to continuing to work with outdoor centres. As I have said, I can absolutely see the benefits, and they are a key part of the outdoor education and learning experiences. As I said, I have been very clear on that this morning.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

We are not far apart, but that £5 million could be spent very well in a lot of areas. I certainly would not want to displace £5 million.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Natalie Don-Innes

It could still benefit a lot of children and young people.