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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

As I have said, the work on the rates guidance is on-going—it is something that we are working on just now. I do not know whether officials can give me an understanding of the timeline.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Of course, Mr Rennie. You will be aware that, because of the data arrangements, this is the first year that we have had a real year-on-year comparison of uptake rates for two-year-olds. At the national level, the figures indicate an increase in uptake for eligible children from 52 per cent in 2023 to 59 per cent in 2024, but I agree that some families are losing out, and we need to try to maximise uptake as much as possible. As a result, I have set out on a national improvement project to try to increase the numbers.

I would not say that it is so much a regional variation—there is huge variation among local authorities. I have not necessarily found any trends in that respect, but the variation alarms me, which is why I have set out on the project. The project itself will involve intensive support for five identified local authorities with quite low uptakes. It was important to me to use a range of local authorities, so we have included rural and urban authorities, and we are making sure that we have a range of factors to try to understand the reasons for uptake being low in the first place, and how we can increase it.

Very individual and intensive support will be given to the five identified local authorities—Aberdeenshire, Falkirk, Glasgow, North Ayrshire and North Lanarkshire councils. We have sought to engage with local authorities that are already working with the Improvement Service or which have expressed an interest in maximising uptake, and that service is providing support based on each of the local authorities’ unique contexts, which I have alluded to.

We also have a programme of online content that is available to all local authorities, because we understand that the situation might go beyond the five authorities that are interested in increasing uptake. At the moment, though, my priority is to take a targeted approach and to see what we can do and what we can learn from those five areas.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

It is imminent. That relates to the rates guidance, but wider discussions are being had on the wider rates review—not just on the specific rates themselves but on what is required for additional support needs, meals and a range of other things. We are actively working on that, just now.

As I have said, the early adopter communities work is on-going, too, and we are continuing to speak with families. We recently increased the number of early adopter communities by two, from four to six, which increases the number of families who are involved in the programmes and gives us more understanding of what is needed for a national picture.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Approved—I mean moved. Sorry. [Laughter.]

Motion moved,

That the Education, Children and Young People Committee recommends that the Provision of Early Learning and Childcare (Specified Children) (Scotland) Amendment Order 2025 [draft] be approved.—[Natalie Don-Innes]

Motion agreed to.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

As I have said, that is, in essence, because I am very understanding of the difficulties that organisations and individuals have been through in relation to the cost of living crisis and other factors. This is a very important area in terms of safeguarding children and ensuring that everybody who is involved in roles with children is part of the disclosure system. I have therefore taken the decision that that is what is best for the country, at the current time.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I alluded to that in relation to the disclosure service being “fit for the future”. I have now been to the committee twice on a number of SSIs that have gone through in relation to the 2020 act. There certainly will be a case for making that scheme fit for the future and, as you say, for making sure that we are financially sustainable. I have had to balance various issues regarding whether to increase the fees, and I felt that this was the right move to make for this year, given some of the issues that I have already referred to.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

The member will be aware, in terms of the consultation, that the Scottish Government will continue to fund PVG scheme membership for volunteers in qualifying voluntary organisations, and has chosen to retain fees at their current level.

On engagement with staff members, I am more than happy to bring officials in to go into some of the engagement that has taken place. As I alluded to the last time that I was before the committee, there has been a wealth of engagement around the disclosure legislation.

I will ask Gareth Wilks to elaborate on the engagement that has taken place.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I do not have a view on that, specifically. As far as I am aware, that was not raised as an issue during the consultation period. I understand that it will be worked out between an organisation and employee members.

As I said, I have retained the fee waiver for fees this year: I have retained the fee waiver for volunteers. However, thinking ahead, in line with the 2020 act we will, in the future, be looking to transform and change the rhetoric around fees for disclosures, by taking it away from being a transaction-based system and making it fit for the future. That work will have to be taken forward in the future.

However, as I have said, given the difficulties that people have experienced over the past few years in relation to the cost of living crisis and other external factors, the decision has been taken to retain fees at their current levels for this year and to retain the fee waiver.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

No.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Applications are dealt with on a case-by-case basis. Obviously, there will be different circumstances for different people. I know that the timescales around disclosure have been raised in the past, and it is something that has been improved with the move to digitisation through Disclosure Scotland, which is reducing the timescales. However, I will bring in Gareth Wilks or other officials to speak about the priority groups.