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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 April 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Neil Gray

Not at this stage, no.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Neil Gray

I note those comments on Mr McArthur’s endeavours. It is for the Parliament to decide on the bill at stage 1. We would then need to consider our position on the basis of what we have set out prior to the stage 1 debate, including what I set out in the memorandum. We would explore any opportunities should the bill pass stage 1.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Neil Gray

Again, that is for Mr McArthur to consider. We have not taken a policy position on that issue. The Government does not have a policy position on the elements in the bill, so we would need to consider and determine the issues on the basis of the evidence that is gathered by the committee, should the bill pass stage 1.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Neil Gray

In the memorandum that I sent to the committee, we queried the financial memorandum. I note that Mr McArthur has done some further work on the back of that. However, we have concerns that the costs that have been set out in the financial memorandum do not go as far as what we believe could end up being the cost. It may well be that the bill would require a financial memorandum to be associated with it.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Neil Gray

The figure that I gave you was for doctors.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Neil Gray

I have not had that concern expressed to me or suggested as a motivation behind someone supporting an assisted dying bill or otherwise. We will continue to make palliative care available as universally and equitably as we possibly can. I believe that, in the steps that we have taken in the proposed budget, we can see a continued improvement in that position with regard to the direct funding that we are seeking to provide to hospices, which, like many other social care providers, are facing a particular challenge with the likes of the increase in employer national insurance contributions that is coming down the track. We are looking to support those organisations as best we can, while obviously wanting to see the UK Government resolve that matter at source.

As for the funding that we provide to our health and social care partnerships and our health boards, it is for them to direct where that goes, based on the demand being placed on them—in this case, with regard to palliative care services. We will continue to work with them to ensure that such care can be provided as universally and equitably as possible.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Neil Gray

Ms Harper is correct.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Neil Gray

We have extensive policy positioning on this area. The consultation on our draft palliative care strategy has just concluded. We are considering the responses and expect to be able to publish the strategy later this year.

As Mr Whittle will have seen in the draft budget, we have put extensive additional funding—£21.7 billion—into health and social care services in general, and we expect local boards to ensure that adequate palliative care provision is available. We have also included a line for increased hospice care funding and a proposal to align pay and conditions in the hospice sector with the national health service agenda for change conditions, so that we can ensure that adequate palliative care is in place.

I am very grateful to the people in the NHS, the hospice sector, community and social care, and general practice who provide extensive palliative care support, whether in a hospital, someone’s home, a care home or a hospice. The tireless efforts that they make to do so receive my extensive thanks. We, in the Parliament, have a role to play to help people to understand what palliative care is and is not and what interaction it has with the bill in order to ensure that stigma around palliative care and dying is addressed. With that in mind, we will look to ensure that we are doing everything that is possible to provide the palliative care support that people need and expect.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Neil Gray

Yes. Should the bill pass stage 1, extensive discussions would need to be had with a number of stakeholders, and I would have a responsibility as health secretary to ensure that I was taking matters forward in the interests of health and social care services and the people who interact with them. I think that everyone would expect me to have conversations such as those that Mr Gulhane set out.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Neil Gray

Again, I understand that being a query and an area of interrogation for the committee, but the Government has not taken a position on that as yet.