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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Paul McLennan

As you said, and as the minister said, learning from the best practice is really important.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Paul McLennan

That is something for us to consider.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Paul McLennan

Do you see a timescale for that? I note our timescales in moving the bill forward after today’s discussion. You have mentioned a consultation and discussion: where do you see the timescales around that? That is not to put you on the spot, but could you give us a rough idea?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Paul McLennan

I have a supplementary question. We heard evidence from the chief executive of Aberdeenshire Council about how it embeds what the Promise is trying to do into its services. You are going to have a challenge with IJBs, which include health boards and local authorities. Can you say a little more about what the engagement work will be after the bill is passed? What is next for the IJBs? You have advocated for the importance of IJBs, but what will the concrete next steps be after the bill is passed? How will we embed the bill and the culture that it will promote into the work that the IJBs do? That has to be sustainable, but the quicker we can do it, the better it will be for everyone concerned. Can you say a little more about how you see that developing?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Paul McLennan

Gavin, do you want to come in?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Paul McLennan

Miles Briggs’s point about advocacy came through quite strongly, and you said that you would look at that, minister, so I do not expect you to expand on it. Advocacy also came through very strongly when we met the care-experienced kids.

Gavin Henderson touched on another issue that came through strongly at that meeting, which was aftercare advocacy. In itself, aftercare is fine, but I am asking about advocacy services for children aged up to 16 and then up to age 26. An issue that came through strongly was about advocacy all through those people’s lives. The people who come out of the care experience will come through it in different ways, but there is still that trauma attached to some of them. The importance of whole-life advocacy came through in our meeting.

I come from a local authority background, where we see kids going through the care system and then having kids, who then have the same issues. It is about breaking that cycle.

Can you say a bit more about whole-life advocacy, which came through strongly when we met the group of care-experienced kids? I know that, as you said, local authorities and health boards have to come in, and I know that there is a whole-Government approach, but I would like to hear how you see whole-life advocacy all the way through the system.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Paul McLennan

Thank you, convener. I want to build on the engagement aspect, because it is important to bring this back to why we are really doing this, which is engagement with children and young people. Could you say a little bit about that?

I joined the committee during the most humbling part of this process: I listened in on our session with the kids. We met with 40-odd care-experienced kids and that was the most humbling experience. I want to bring this back to the most important part of the process. What was your official engagement with children and young people?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Paul McLennan

That is really helpful.

I want to move on from children’s hearings, and my next question is more about children’s services planning. As we have heard today, that involves Government and local authorities, but health comes into it, too. Integration joint boards, in particular, are a really important aspect. I remember the role of IJBs in tackling homelessness from my time as Minister for Housing.

One of the key things is the proposal about IJBs and how they are required to plan. What are the key objectives and drivers behind that and how do they tie in with the bill? What work will be done in future? Legislation is legislation, but the key thing is how it is implemented and embedded. How will we move beyond the bill to embed the culture change that is required?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Paul McLennan

Thanks.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Paul McLennan

I have another couple of questions on children’s hearings. You have touched on the issues already. Sheriff Mackie mentioned adding a provision to the bill that states that the children’s hearings system would be “an inquisitorial, non-adversarial process.” What are your thoughts about having such a provision in the bill?

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