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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 February 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Paul McLennan

I am the MSP for East Lothian. I was previously a councillor in East Lothian for 15 years.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Paul McLennan

The other point—I will open this up to see who else wants to come in—is that a culture change is required. Support is one thing, but do we need legislation? That is something that we need to look at. We can try to change culture and we can provide financial support, but if the culture to do that does not exist in an organisation, it becomes very difficult. Do we need legislation to make sure that all work areas are covered?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Paul McLennan

That is important. As we heard when we visited the Salvesen Mindroom Centre, retention rates are lower among people with neurodiversity. That should not be the case, but it is at the moment.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Paul McLennan

I will ask my question, and I have a comment as well. We have had various discussions, at council and other levels, about the key issue of how we triage. That is almost about who comes first. We have all talked about the increasing numbers, but how we triage is a very important question.

There is also a question about assessing demand. We have seen demand increase in the past number of years. Will there be an exponential increase in the next few years as well? It is important to consider what we need to do in the current situation, but we also need to think about what we do in three, four or five years, if the numbers increase.

I do not know who wants to answer that question. I might come in on the back of the answers, very briefly.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Paul McLennan

I know that we need to move on, but I do not know whether anyone saw the article on BBC News this morning about mainstreaming compared with specialism. That is a whole other debate, but the article was really interesting in setting out the different perspectives on specialism and mainstreaming. That is perhaps an issue for the committee to talk about, because the article was really relevant.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Paul McLennan

I had the pleasure of visiting the Salveson Mindroom Centre a couple of weeks ago. One of the key things that came through was that the employers that are involved tend to be larger employers. We may be talking about smaller businesses as well, but larger employers have the capacity to take the issue on and organise their organisations around support for those with neurodiversity. How do we ensure that there is a standard approach across different sizes of business? It is easier for a large business to take the issue on. How difficult is it for a small or medium-sized enterprise? That issue came through very clearly. It is important that we have a standard approach.

The other thing to mention in terms of support is how difficulties are picked up. Someone’s neurodiversity might not be apparent at the outset of their employment. There were a few examples of people who were subsequently diagnosed with neurodiversity, and that diagnosis changed their relationship with their employer.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Paul McLennan

—and of the balance in terms of regulations hitting small businesses. I get the point.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Paul McLennan

I will come to Jill in a moment, but I want first to raise one other point that came through when we went to the Salvesen Mindroom Centre. We are talking about those who are in employment, but the number of people who have neurodiversity and who end up in employment is low. How do we ensure that employers take cognisance of that and are making reasonable adjustments in their selection processes? If the employer does not do that, the individual is already at a disadvantage before they get to the interview stage. I think that that is a really important point. How do we ensure that people who are neurodiverse have the same employment opportunities?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Paul McLennan

Jason, you have touched on the issue of whether the curriculum, including the approach to exams, suits neurodivergent pupils. You said that it does not. Can we tailor the curriculum? If so, how?

I come back to a point that Lynne Binnie made. I have had discussions with parents who say that schools are always talking about the child’s plan—the individualised education plan. Given the increase in the number of children with additional support needs, it becomes hard to deal with those plans. It is incredibly tough to fit a number of kids’ plans into a complex school curriculum.

What can we do to make sure that the curriculum suits everybody? Instead of having a typical curriculum that neurodiverse kids are supposed to fit into, we want it to be the other way around. That is the real challenge.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Neurodivergence

Meeting date: 10 February 2026

Paul McLennan

I am the MSP for East Lothian and, like Marie McNair, prior to my election as an MSP, I was 15 years a councillor—in my case, in East Lothian.