Skip to main content
Loading…

Seòmar agus comataidhean

Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

Criathragan Hide all filters

Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 October 2025
Select which types of business to include


Select level of detail in results

Displaying 1337 contributions

|

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

I want to move on to advocacy services. When we met care-experienced children yesterday, they highlighted for me and the group that I was in the importance of independent advocacy. It touches on section 4 of the bill, “Advocacy services for care-experienced persons”, and concerns have been expressed about how the bill relies too much on secondary legislation.

I will turn to Jim Savege on this. Some concerns were expressed by, for example, Adoption UK, South Ayrshire Council, COSLA and so on, about the detail of advocacy provision being left to subsequent regulations. SOLACE’s submission mentions that the bill lacks clarity on who qualifies for advocacy, how it will be delivered and how it will be funded. Do you want to say a little bit more about that and about the need for independent advocacy? That issue came through very clearly last night from the care-experienced children.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Yes, input from young people. How do councils intend to get that input and evaluate the advocacy? It is key that kids are involved not just in designing the plan but in evaluating it regularly, to make sure that it actually works. That is fundamental. How does it actually work on the ground? Rather than its being delivered to kids, they should know that they are part of the process. That message came through very strongly yesterday.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Do you have anything to add, Mr Berry?

10:00  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

I will touch a little more on care experience. Sections 5 and 6 of the bill refer to guidance for public authorities and organisations in relation to care experience. Some responses to the call for views were supportive of the proposals for guidance, but there were concerns that the bill does not include a universal definition, which would instead be left to secondary legislation.

Does anyone have a point to make about that? I will come to you first, Mr Berry. Do you want to come in on the definition of care experience before I open up the question to everyone else?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

That was the view that we heard from the children last night.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Does the bill rely too much on secondary legislation or is it about flexibility? Perhaps it depends very much on the case. What is your view?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Fiona Whitelock, I will come to you on that one, because the other key point the kids made yesterday was about their input into advocacy. In previous evidence, Who Cares? Scotland, spoke about the importance of independent advocacy. One key issue is how we evaluate that advocacy and another is how we ensure that there is input from those who use advocacy services. What are your thoughts on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

I do not think that there is an easy answer.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Some of the feedback concerned the importance of achieving a balance between flexibility and clarity. That might touch on Jim Savege’s point about each area being different—he mentioned Banchory and Peterhead, in Aberdeenshire. Is it better to have flexibility at the cost of clarity? Is it bad to have more flexibility in the process?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Do you have anything to add, Jim?