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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 April 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing Inquiry and Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Paul McLennan

I would be happy to come back to the committee or write to the committee—whichever way you want to approach that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing Inquiry and Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Paul McLennan

I will bring in Will Tyler-Greig in a wee second on that. We discussed that issue last week with the housing to 2040 strategic board and the cabinet secretary, and we will discuss the matter in the next month or two and come back with further details.

The key objective throughout is to maximise the impact that the programme will have. Each local authority has the planning assumptions that I talked about. Discussions are going on with local authorities on, for example, where the sites are that can be brought forward the quickest. Those discussions go on regularly, but there needs to be a focus on what we can deliver as soon as possible. The work on stalled sites will inform that, and we will try to bring forward any stalled sites that can be delivered as quickly as possible.

There is, obviously, the investment in the affordable housing supply programme and building houses. The balance has to come around voids, acquisitions and empty homes, because we can bring those forward at a much quicker rate, which can reduce the temporary accommodation pressures as soon as we possibly can. Discussions are taking place on that.

We have talked about the £40 million of acquisition funding. Last year, £40 million was already indicated, so the question is what we do with that £40 million this year. Again, that discussion is going on with five local authorities and others.

Another element of the budget is capital funding and financial transactions. I talked about charitable donations, for example, and about mid-market rents. The key questions that are being looked at are where we can maximise opportunities and how we can bring additional funding into Scotland.

The balance will change in relation to different local authorities. The nuanced approach that the convener talked about is really important. We have good input on that through discussions with colleagues on the housing to 2040 strategic board, which we will continue to have. It comes back to some of the really nuanced discussions, for example about Glasgow, where, as I said, larger families—with four, five or six kids—live in temporary accommodation. How can we target that? If we do so through acquisitions, buying a house for a larger family will cost more than buying a house for somebody with two kids.

Another key thing is the capacity to do so, and discussions are taking place about that capacity in Glasgow. In the past, for example, we have worked with developers to see whether they have properties that the local authority can buy and use. We are looking right across the gamut of possible funding opportunities, but the key things are how to maximise the impact, reduce the pressures as soon as possible and not lose out on what we need to do to build homes.

A key focus in how we deliver that, which I have talked about, is voids, acquisitions and empty homes. However, we should not forget the wider work that goes on, and I will ask Will Tyler-Greig to come in and talk a wee bit more about that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing Inquiry and Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Paul McLennan

On the acquisition funding, the £80 million in the 2023-24 budget that was mentioned delivered more than 1,500 homes. The £40 million that we have talked about for this year—not the current financial year but the financial year coming—is expected to result in around 500 acquisitions and tackle 600 voids. One key thing that we have done around the affordable housing supply programme, and in particular around voids and acquisitions, is to try to have a bit of flexibility, because previously the focus was on acquisitions.

One key thing that came up in discussion with stakeholders is how we can bring forward voids as quickly as possible. We are talking about that delivering another 1,000 homes into affordable use at a very quick rate. Detailed discussions on how to use the £40 million for the next financial year are already going on. It is about reducing the number of voids and about how many homes we can bring forward at a very quick rate. They are going out to the market, so we need to make sure that voids are turned over as quickly as possible. Those are examples of the things that we are looking at.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing Inquiry and Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Paul McLennan

There are a number of things to say about the context, and I will come on to the detail. First, on our delivery record, we deliver 47 per cent more homes per head of population than England does and 73 per cent more than Wales does. That is a strong record. As for new-build housing completions, Scotland has the highest level in the UK, at 36 per 10,000 people; the figure is 34 per 10,000 in England, 15 per 10,000 in Wales and 28 per 10,000 in Northern Ireland. However, we need to do more, and there are a couple of things to highlight in that respect.

Obviously, we are very reliant on the budget that we receive from the UK Government with regard to not only capital but financial transactions. Last year, our capital budget was cut by 9 per cent, while the financial transactions budget was cut by 62 per cent. I have talked about what the financial transactions budget can do with regard to charitable donations, mid-market rent and bringing in other opportunities in that respect. That is a really important pattern, and it is important that I highlight that when we talk about what we do with financial transactions and how we maximise these things.

I think that that sets out the context and where we are. This year, we have had an increase in the budget from the UK Government, and we have maximised that. Indeed, even before the budget, there was discussion of this matter, and it was going to be a priority for the First Minister and the Deputy First Minister. I think that we have delivered on that.

However, one of the key issues that we need to move on is sustainable funding. When local authorities set their course—which, normally, is for a five-year period—they do so based on their ambitions, and we have to ensure that we try to deliver on them. The UK Government has been talking about its spending review and looking at multiyear funding in that respect; that review is coming up in March, I think, and the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government will discuss that in connection with not just housing but other issues. Every party in Parliament wants sustainable funding, and we will be discussing with the UK Government the question of multiyear funding and whether we can go out to local authorities, Homes for Scotland, the Scottish Federation of Housing Associations and so on and say, “Look, here’s an indicative budget for the next three years.”

I want to be in that position, but it all depends on the discussions that we have with the UK Government. The issue has been raised and discussed with others, and the SFHA has made it very clear that it is its number 1 objective. We want to deliver on that, but it very much relies on the spending review and the UK Government’s position on multiyear funding. It will certainly help us when it comes to housing.

I totally appreciate your point about investment. Companies need to know these things. Indeed, our all-tenure approach gives everybody, whether it be the Scottish Federation of Housing Associations, Homes for Scotland or whoever, that kind of confidence. The Scottish Government now wants multiyear funding to allow us to go out, with confidence, to the sector and say, “This is, indicatively, what we need to do.” That, in turn, will help me work out what needs to be done in years 1, 2 and 3. We already have a good record on this, but multiyear funding would really help by giving us confidence as we move forward.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing Inquiry and Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Paul McLennan

I will bring in Lauren McNamara or Will Tyler-Greig in a wee second, if they want to respond, but the review covers the points that I have talked about, such as the impact of the pressures that have come through.

For example, construction capacity is a real issue. Going back to the main point, the Highland housing challenge is about delivering 30,000 homes in 10 years, but one of the biggest issues that the council has identified is construction capacity. What are the challenges with construction capacity when it comes to delivering that? It is obviously a drag and a barrier in trying to build those houses at pace, and that has to be considered when we think about how we deliver our target. Construction costs are one of the key things here.

I mentioned construction inflation, which was probably at its highest around 18 months ago; it is still at a high rate and has not dropped off. What is the impact of that? How does it impact on, say, benchmarks? If we were benchmarking at £100,000 and construction inflation meant that costs went up by £20,000, we would have to increase our benchmarks. We have done so, and we have tried to be as flexible as possible.

It is about the barriers that we face, but it is also about maximising budgets and bringing in additional investment to deliver on some of our targets. The housing investment task force is focused on delivering affordable homes. We are discussing what we can do through legislation and some of the exemptions that we have talked about in the committee. We are looking at all those kinds of things.

I might bring in Lauren McNamara to say more, but the review is about learning lessons from the past with regard to impacts that we did not expect when the target was set and about looking at what we need to do in the future to provide certainty on our budget and certainty to the market. Looking at the whole housing system, there has been an impact on the residential market, for example, where higher interest rates have led to a drop. We did not expect interest rates to be so high, but Lauren can say more about the broader work on that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing Inquiry and Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Paul McLennan

When I met Argyll and Bute Council nine or so months ago, those same points were made to us. I would point out that infrastructure includes transport, education and employment and therefore will involve much broader discussions within Government. When she was minister, Emma Roddick was involved in that broader work, and it is still on-going. Extensive work has also been carried out on how we get people to move into Argyll and Bute and other rural communities. That is all part of broader Government work.

As for flexibilities, there are discussions about the rural housing fund and how it is funded. Every project will be slightly different when it comes to the point of a feasibility study being carried out and how it moves beyond that. We have considered the issue in our discussions with the Communities Housing Trust, for example.

We have tried to be as flexible as possible with the funding that local authorities receive. Within the current affordable housing supply programme, flexibility is already built into how local authorities tackle voids and deal with acquisitions. The affordable housing supply programme was always flexible. For example, we listened when it came to funding for acquisitions, and after receiving feedback from local authorities, we included voids, too. We have talked about the additional £40 million that will be delivered this year and the balance between voids and acquisitions. Homelessness does not exist in just those five local authorities; it exists in other areas, too, but there is flexibility when it comes to tackling homelessness.

The other flexibility relates to mid-market rent and the £100 million commitment that we have talked about. There are opportunities for mid-market rent in different parts of Scotland, and work is already going on around that, which involves engaging with the Wheatley Group and others. It is also about how we maximise flexibility around charitable bonds, which brings us back to Will Tyler-Greig’s point about getting the biggest bang for our buck across Scotland. There is flexibility in that respect.

We have individual discussions with local teams about how they want to use the funding. The increase will give them more flexibility when it comes to the RPAs, but a lot of flexibility is already built into the system. We will listen to local authorities about what they need to do, and seek to maximise opportunities through the increased funding.

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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing Inquiry and Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Paul McLennan

There are a number of things there. There are discussions about rollover in each local authority. A key thing for me, having talked with local authorities, is that they need to maximise their RPA. The turnout figures for last year will show us how much each local authority has spent and what it has delivered. That is an incredibly important part of it.

On the budget, funding for a project will be spent not just in one financial year; part of it may involve stalled sites, and there are discussions about that. If a local authority is consistently not spending its RPA, we need to have discussions about the barriers and what we need to do. We will discuss the rollover with local authorities.

It is hard to comment on specific projects without knowing what they are, but we look at any project that comes forward with regard to the flexibility that is used. It comes back to the same point about the infrastructure funding that is required, especially if there is infrastructure funding to deliver on land.

We were up in Shetland several months ago. The First Minister and Deputy First Minister were there, and we were talking about a project at Staneyhill that needed around £20 million of investment. The people there talked about the need to do a lot of work on the infrastructure before they could even bring the project forward. If a local authority has a proposal, we can look at that. The project in Shetland was going to deliver 300 homes, which is a huge increase there. It is hard to comment on the specifics when the infrastructure is being discussed, but we have the flexibility to look at that under the project cost. As for its value, we would bring that through. I will bring in Kirsty Henderson, in a second, to talk about that.

There is flexibility within the affordable housing supply programme to assess what infrastructure would be required to deliver a project. A housing infrastructure fund has been set up by the Scottish Government, and we have discussed that with local authorities. However, without knowing the full details, it is hard to comment on specific projects. They would be part of the consideration of what would be delivered in each place.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing Inquiry and Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Paul McLennan

In principle, it is better left to local authorities, because there are different pressures within each local authority. That view is based on 15 years of local authority experience. We can have broader discussions about waiting lists. For example, when we speak to the Association of Local Authority Chief Housing Officers, we hear that a lot of people on the waiting lists are single. We can discuss how that feeds into a council’s local housing strategy, into its strategic housing investment plan and into its homelessness strategy. However, the matter is best left to local authorities.

The feedback that we get is that most people on waiting lists are single. We can discuss with local authorities how they can get the right balance between building housing for families and building housing for single people, but it is up to local authorities to prioritise their investment opportunities. Some local authorities are looking at what they can do for single people—the convener mentioned co-housing—and there are different ways to tackle that issue, but the situation is different across Scotland. In principle, it is best left to local authorities.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing Inquiry and Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Paul McLennan

A report is being produced, but it has not been finalised. I will read that when it comes to me. We asked Ken Gibb to do some work on affordability for the reasons that we have talked about and because of the longer-term discussion that we need to have. The report looks at a number of things, but it has not been finalised yet. I understand that it will probably be finalised during the first quarter of this year. It feeds into the longer-term structural discussions that we need to have, because the affordability gap is an issue across Europe.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing Inquiry and Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Paul McLennan

I cannot talk about what is being discussed or covered at this point. There has already been action and delivery in trying to address some of the issues, and members will have seen how that is having an impact on, for example, the number of second homes. Part of the reduction in the number of empty homes has been done through addressing second homes. A property might be used for only one month a year, so we need to look at what we do in that respect. Action has already been delivered, but I have no doubt that the SNP group and other groups will continue to discuss how we tackle the issue. There will be further discussion to develop actions.