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Good morning. Among the key things in the Feeley review were improved outcomes and a shifting of services towards prevention. For witnesses, as you have no doubt heard, the question is about why can we not amend the current system. Can you elaborate on why you think that a national care service will improve outcomes and shift services towards prevention? I am trying to wrap up my two questions into one.

We also heard about the integrated joint integration board model. What is your view on that? Could we build on that model, as we have heard from witnesses? The key thing is obviously that we improve outcomes and shift services towards prevention.

Good morning, panel. I come to this with 15 years’ experience as a councillor and as a former council leader.

The bill is a framework bill. My question is for Tracey Dalling, but I will come to Gerry Cornes after that. Tracey, you have almost suggested that we should rip up the bill and start again. Is there an argument for being involved in the co-design and co-production as we go forward, rather than starting the whole process again? Why would that not be the best approach? I am playing devil’s advocate here.

Do you not think that that process could be done now rather than by going right back to the start? If the framework is established, there will be an opportunity to develop the service beyond that.

I have a final question for Tracey Dalling. One key idea that was mentioned at the start of planning for a national care service was that it would lead to improved terms and conditions for social care workers. Retention and recruitment are immediate issues. Do you accept that the improved terms and conditions of the national care service could be of benefit?

Collective bargaining is really important.

So the proposals are welcome, but there are complexities that we need to examine.

I am looking for you to touch on the preventative element, as well. That is an important matter that Feeley picked up.

Does anyone else want to come in on that aspect?

That is very helpful. Pauline Nolan, I could see you nodding your head when Adam Stachura was talking. Could I ask you about the same question about the effectiveness of the co-design as we go through the process? You represent your organisation, but obviously it is people you represent. How do you ensure that that process is effective? It also touches on a point that Adam Stachura talked about, which is making sure that we are reaching as many people as we possibly can.

You caught me unawares there.

This is about the involvement of the workforce in developing proposals for the national care service. There are two things from me. One is about how the workforce has been involved in developing the proposals, including your volunteers, Sarah Latto. How much has the workforce been involved in that and how do you see the on-going process ?