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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Paul McLennan

One of the main reasons for trying to meet the UK Government and the Welsh Government regularly is that the cladding remediation programme in the UK is evolving and will continue to evolve over months and years. It is important that we are tied in as much as we possibly can be to what they are doing and how closely we can work together. Obviously, we have our own priorities and things that we need to do, but working closely with them as the remediation programme across the UK evolves is really important.

I will bring in Stephen to talk about the other discussions that we have had.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Paul McLennan

That was identified and picked up this morning in relation to, for example, fire safety inspectors. I will bring in Stephen to talk about the technical details. That is an issue. Whether there are enough qualified fire assessment professionals has also been an issue down south and in Wales.

The work that is required in relation to the broader remediation situation is less of a problem. However, some of that requires specific cladding work, which is an issue that we are looking at and one of the issues that I will take up with UK Government officials. As I said, the problem affects the whole of the UK, so we must ensure that we are training more fire safety inspectors. We identified the issue pretty early on.

I will bring in Stephen to talk about where we are with the numbers.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Paul McLennan

On the general principles, we are at the start of the process. As I have said, every building is different, but the key skills that need to come through are generally the same.

The key for us is knowing what the process is, who we need to involve, what is involved and what skills are required. We are undertaking that process, but it is very much at an early stage. We at Scottish Government level need to ensure that we are resourcing that properly—and we are; there has been a big increase in numbers.

However, we also need to look at what is required within the sectors. That is getting picked up and we are starting to get into the remediation programme. We are talking to UK and Welsh Government officials, to see whether there are lessons that we can learn from them. However, they are involved in that piece of work, because it is a UK-wide training programme.

I will bring in Rachel to provide a little more detail.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Paul McLennan

Yes. I think that £400 million was set aside. The UK Government made its estimate and there are consequentials that come through. However, the more we get into the process, the more that cost will be. That is why it is important to reach agreement with the developers on who is responsible for what. There are resource costs, and there are the costs of our initial assessment. That is one of the main reasons why getting agreement and moving that forward is so important. The principle of the developer meeting the cost is an important part of it. Again, however, the process will evolve as we move through it.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Paul McLennan

As a general principle, the key focus at the moment is on residential buildings. There have been discussions about hotels and hospitals. Stephen Garvin has been involved in those, so I will bring him in. As I said, the key focus at the moment is on buildings with residents. Hotels and hospitals are responsible for their buildings, to a certain extent, but there have been discussions about how we can work with them.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Paul McLennan

I will bring Stephen Garvin in to comment on the 2022 act in England. If we decide to proceed with legislation, we will look to introduce it in early autumn. We would need to come back and speak to the committee about that. If we identify things that need to be brought forward and we need to get more clarity and more powers to deal with them, we will probably look to do it after the recess and to push legislation forward in an expedited process.

We recognise the importance of having as many powers as we need to move things forward and quicken the pace. That shows our urgency about what we need to do. We will keep the committee informed if that is where we decide to go. If an expedited process is required, we will come back to the committee about that as soon as possible.

I invite Stephen to comment on the 2022 act and anything else he wants to raise.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Paul McLennan

I am sorry, convener. I do not want to get on the wrong side of you, so I will shut up now. [Laughter.]

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Paul McLennan

Oh, was it at you? I was used to getting a row off the convener before, so it is a habit.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Paul McLennan

With registration and so on?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Paul McLennan

I will bring Stephen Garvin in on that. I do not know what we do at the moment.