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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 30 May 2023
Paul McLennan
I will bring in Stephen Garvin on that, because he is the technical expert. Scottish building standards are slightly different from the UK and Welsh building standards. One of the key issues is that some of the organisations that we are dealing with through Homes for Scotland are UK based. In the programme in England and Wales, there are slightly different technical standards to ours. It is really about looking at that technical question of the slight differences between the UK and Scotland. That is broadly where that sits.
As Fionna Kell touched on earlier, it is really about points of clarification. That is the general reason why it has taken a little longer. Mr Griffin asked Fionna why the process had taken so long. Part of the discussions have been about getting those technical questions outlined.
Stephen Garvin will set out the specific technical points that we are looking at.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 30 May 2023
Paul McLennan
I do not think that there is a one-size-fits-all answer to that. It really depends on each building. We have heard about the inspection process. Part of the reason for some of the legislation is to quicken the pace of what we need to do with the buildings. In addition, one of the key things about reaching the agreement with Homes for Scotland and looking at legislation was to quicken the pace.
My key message is that we hope to increase the pace of the remediation of buildings, but it is hard to give an answer to that for one building or another because the requirements are all different. The key thing is to ensure that we quicken the pace. We are working with officials to do that and push things on quite a bit.
It is difficult to tie down the position for one building compared with another, as it depends on what remediation is required.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 30 May 2023
Paul McLennan
Policy on mortgages and buildings insurance is the responsibility of the UK Government. I know that that issue is being discussed on an on-going basis with officials, and I will let them update you on those discussions.
One of the main reasons for trying to meet the UK Government specifically on that matter is that UK Finance takes that forward. We need to ensure that we make progress on that as soon as possible. Chris Ashurst mentioned that this morning, particularly with regard to buildings insurance and mortgages. I am really keen to take that further with the UK Government, to make sure that we quicken the pace and to find out what we in Scotland need to do to make sure that it is aware of that. It is a really important issue for residents and home owners. It is one of the key things that I will be discussing with the UK Government.
As for specific work that we are doing here, I will bring in Rachel again to talk about discussions that we have had on that. To a certain extent, our hands are tied on that matter, but obviously we have been raising it with the UK Government. I am keen to quicken the pace on that to make sure that we get some resolution as quickly as possible, to give the tenants and residents a bit more peace of mind. There are other things that we need to work on. We talked about communication this morning, and that is important.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 30 May 2023
Paul McLennan
We can come back to the committee with the number that you asked for in relation to fire safety.
Again, the issue goes back to the discussions that I want to have with UK and Welsh Government officials. What are they doing on that? Rachel Sunderland touched on this, but there are UK, Welsh, Northern Irish and Irish companies that do this work as well. We need to look at the capacity in Scotland, but also at the capacity across the UK. What do we need to do under that four-nations approach to ensure that we all have capacity, given that we will all be looking to do the same things at roughly the same time? We will have those discussions with UK, Welsh and Northern Irish officials to determine what we need to do to look at the issue as a whole. Again, I will be happy to report back on the discussions that we have at that stage.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 30 May 2023
Paul McLennan
I will ask Rachel Sunderland to comment on that in a second, but first I will comment on the point that you made at the start of your question. I heard Chris Ashurst talk about the importance of communication even if people can only say, “Here’s where we are” and not what is happening. I will certainly take that away and discuss it with officials.
On the point about political leadership, one of the first meetings that I had as a minister was about the cladding programme and what we could do to take it forward. One of the first meetings that I had—within the first week, I think—was with Homes for Scotland, and we discussed the issue. I am glad that, within a reasonably quick period, we have reached the stage that we have reached and that we continue to move on. We will move on to the SMEs, as I said. We have talked about the need for legislation to try to quicken the pace. In the first two months, I have tried to show that leadership by moving on the agreement and moving on legislation that we require to do that. I am certainly keen to discuss that.
I will meet Chris Ashurst in the near future and I continue to meet Homes for Scotland regularly and keep on top of that programme. I have already mentioned having meetings with the UK and Welsh Governments to take the issue forward. I think that I am showing that political leadership, and I am keen to make sure that I do that not just in the first two or three months but on an on-going basis. As I said, the process will evolve in Scotland and in the UK, but I am really keen to make sure that we give people as much peace of mind as we can and that buildings are as safe as possible. That is the key thing.
I ask Rachel Sunderland to comment on the number of orphan buildings.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 30 May 2023
Paul McLennan
Discussions are under way on that. I will bring Rachel in, as she has been undertaking those discussions.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 30 May 2023
Paul McLennan
We have reached agreement in principle. There will be on-going dialogue between officials, Homes for Scotland and me, and they will be part of how this will evolve and work in practice. Those discussions will be on-going and regular.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 30 May 2023
Paul McLennan
Rachel Sunderland touched on the importance of squeezing out as much information as possible to make sure that we do not get orphan buildings. It is about pushing that as far as we can to find out who the owner of the building is and whether they are responsible for it. As Mr Briggs mentioned, there can be mergers and companies can be bought over. In such cases, where does the responsibility lie?
In looking at the budget that we have, there is an element of expectation that some orphan buildings will become part of that. We have reached an agreement with Homes for Scotland about the buildings that it is responsible for. With regard to the ones that it is not responsible for, we have to look at how we maximise the budget.
The key principle is to try to make sure that we find the owners who are out there. We need to acknowledge that there may be buildings for which we do not have owners but, again, that was part of the process of looking at the budget that was required at the start. That is on-going. At times, it can be difficult until we get into the building and find out what the remediation need is. However, that element is built into the budget.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 30 May 2023
Paul McLennan
Is it okay if I make an opening statement?
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 30 May 2023
Paul McLennan
I think that this is week 9 of my being in post and, in the first week or so, I met Homes for Scotland. Obviously, this is an issue of real importance to me. We have had discussions—I think that it was mentioned this morning that the previous cabinet secretary had been in discussions. There are a few key principles that are important to get across and that, working closely with Homes for Scotland, we have agreed on. One is developer responsibility, and that is being progressed.
Information sharing is another. Among the things that I picked up from today’s earlier discussion at the committee was about communication, which Chris Ashurst mentioned. I would like to take that away and speak to developers and officials about it to make sure that we maximise communication to people. What Chris said about that was very relevant.
There is also the commitment to assess and remediate relevant buildings. That is about the cladding, which the committee has talked about this morning, along with other fire safety defects on buildings. We have talked about how closely we are working with the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service, which is a key partner. As mentioned, we initially focused on the largest developers, which are members of Homes for Scotland.
Another key thing is that our approach is similar to that of the UK and Welsh Governments. We are in constant dialogue with them on the matter, which is a UK-wide problem, and we have followed their approach. There has been significant progress in the past weeks.