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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 31 March 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

I suspect that we could talk about this for quite a long time, as it is a massive topic. However, one area that you have not given me quite enough information on yet is how you support industry to understand the juggernaut that is coming down the track.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

Good morning. Thank you very much for attending. I have found the discussion very interesting.

One area that we have not touched on is the unknown unknowns for employers. Looking at artificial intelligence and its impact on a whole range of sectors—virtually everything—we have seen clear evidence of unknown unknowns with the green transition, which we have touched on a wee bit. I would like your reflections on how you are taking account of unknown unknowns, using AI as an example. How on earth do you help support people in industry when they also do not know what they do not know—in other words, when they do not know what they need?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

Do you mean how they do business?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

That brings us to the end of the evidence session. I thank the witnesses very much for their evidence.

12:13 Meeting continued in private until 12:34.  

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

Good morning. Thanks for joining us. My question arguably follows on from Daniel Johnson’s question.

Recommendation 1 in your report is that there should be a new culture of leadership. We have talked about leadership, but I want to probe a bit more about culture and what you have seen since you produced your report, in 2023. I assume that you meant much more than not focusing only on university degrees as being the appropriate route and much more than that it was a fragmented landscape. Given your summary that

“Culture does not shift easily”,

what changes have you seen in the culture thus far?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

Classic. Absolutely. Thank you very much for that.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

It is a supplementary on the Deputy First Minister’s opening statement.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

I will leave it there. Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

I have a quick follow-on question, and I want to hear from Dr Malik as well.

One good bit about Scotland is that everybody knows everybody and, sometimes, one of the downsides is that everybody knows everybody. In a business context, how can we avoid groupthink and always keep the perspective fresh, particularly on the significant drivers of change?

A witness at one of our sessions, Tony Rodgers from Emtelle UK Ltd, had what I think all members felt was an entirely refreshing approach. It felt to us that Government will often go to the same old same old, not because they are not good—I am not dismissing anybody—but because that is easier. It is quite hard work to find the voices with a fresh perspective. Often those voices are from businesses that are taking risk and that are quite small—they could be spinouts from a university.

Given that we need to be at the head of the queue with some of the drivers, what are your plans within this cultural shift to embed that fresh perspective in Government? After you have answered, Deputy First Minister, I will bring in Dr Malik.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

I will finish off with a question for Dr Malik. What do you see as your role going forward? It may not be you personally, but what you have been able to bring has been generally recognised and very much valued. How will that work continue so that we have freshness of perspective and a sound voice, and so that we keep focusing on the shift in culture?