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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 April 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Michelle Thomson

You must have guessed what my next question was going to be, because you alluded to conditionality. I paraphrase, but the sense from the community was that a lot of the activity that was going on was well intentioned in terms of including the community and having a community focus at its heart, but that it lacked substance. What are the circumstances in which you think it would be a good idea to put some conditionality around the funds that you provide? What would that look like and where would you see that working in order to make sure that the community is at the heart of what you do?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Michelle Thomson

Do you have anything to add, David?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Michelle Thomson

I mean on the GFIB itself. Surely there is an accountable person. How is that structured from a governance point of view?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Michelle Thomson

Can I assume that you assess the outcome, as compared to initial—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Michelle Thomson

I have a supplementary question. To what extent do the lack of rationality and the uncertainty, as depicted very effectively by your diagram, suggest that we should almost be applying chaos theory to decision making in Government? It is a serious question.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Michelle Thomson

I suppose that, if you are learning from other Governments, you can inquire about the difficult challenges. You gave the example of procurement. Although it is still complex in and of itself, it is easier to put it in a box and to define something as a procurement process.

I think that that is me finished. I could ask questions literally all day, but I know that other members will want to come in.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Michelle Thomson

That is an interesting area for wider consideration.

In the committee, we keep quoting Rumsfeld in relation to “unknown unknowns”. With regard to a Government making an honest assessment of its decision-making capabilities, I sense that there is a disconnect. You said that there is relatively little engagement with academics on best practice. To what extent do you consider it a risk that Governments do not know what they do not know? If they do not ask questions and engage with best practice and other methodologies, they will never know what they do not know.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Michelle Thomson

Good morning. I thoroughly enjoyed your report. I have a daft wee question about something that tweaked my interest. You referred to Moore, who used the term “bureaucratic entrepreneurship”. That struck me as quite the oxymoron. Before I ask my main questions, can you give me a bit more about what on earth he meant by that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Michelle Thomson

There is an idea, linked to empowerment and accountability, which was brought up earlier. When I was reading your report, I thought about the cultural hierarchy within the wider decision framework being underpinned by relative power bases, which vary, depending on the seniority and power base of the relevant minister. That relates to where that minister fits into Government and the power base of whoever is the ultimate accountable authority. It would be useful to hear your general reflections on how that power can inhibit decision making, particularly in a wider context when a decision requires to be made quickly, which, as we know, also affects the processes.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Michelle Thomson

You point out that, if civil servants were seeking clarity, they would need to know that the issue was considerably more complex than it might initially have appeared. That is part of the challenge in getting value from our inquiry. We need to understand the culture and the extent to which such activity is prevalent. Frankly, given what you said about risk taking, it is easier to just come back with a paper. We are talking about civil servants here, because ministers will take advice and accept advice. The issue is about not just capacity but the skills base among civil servants—you made a comment about being agile earlier—and continual improvement, because this is very difficult.