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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 September 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

Good morning—I thank the witnesses for joining us. We had quite a protracted discussion with the earlier panel on the financing needed to enable the good work and good outcomes that we want to see arising from the bill. I am aware that many of the ideas that have been discussed are reserved, and I am also aware that the Scottish Government has a fixed budget. That affects not only what we choose to spend the money on but the way in which we spend it and our appetite for risk.

I am interested in your views on the extent to which funding mechanisms have been considered—even by yourselves—and where you see the opportunities within the limitations that I have set out. Gail Macgregor, do you want to go first?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

This is a very general question, and there will be lots of different answers across the 32 local councils. In general terms, given the chronic power restrictions on financing, how much of an entrepreneurial bent do you think councils have? To derive answers in community wealth building, we will need people to think creatively because of the complexity and challenges. What is your general sense of that—by appetite, capacity and capability?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Product Regulation and Metrology Bill (UK Parliament Legislation)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

What consideration have you given to the potential for divergence from EU regulation by the UK Government against a principled approach and agreement of this Parliament, wherever possible, to align? Have you considered practical examples of where that might occur?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Product Regulation and Metrology Bill (UK Parliament Legislation)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

In areas where the UK Government might seek to diverge, do you think that you are covered by now having the requirement that it must seek consent from Scottish ministers?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

Good morning. I thank the panel very much for joining us. Rather than talking about the bill specifically, I will open our discussions by looking at understanding how finance generally can be made available to support some of the bill’s aspirations. I have a slight concern that the bill is being considered in isolation and that, if the finance and particularly the mechanisms are not in place, it will in reality take a long time to deliver anything, even if it has value.

Starting with Adrian Sargent, I would like to get a sense of the mechanisms that will be available to drive the good works of the bill and—critically—of what the blockers are.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

Morven Taylor, I am aware you have not had a chance to come in yet. Would you like to come in on this, briefly? I sense that I have already overrun my time.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

You have touched on a potentially massive area—the split between what you might do and the lending to SMEs that regular commercial banks do, where there are and continue to be fairly critical issues, because that is not a contract of equals. In 2008, we saw a lot of issues when people’s loans were called in even though they were being utterly fulfilled, because there is a contract of unequals.

It sounds as if there is a huge amount of work still to do. Last week, I asked how much has been done to look at the issue from the other side. We have a framework in the bill that the committee is broadly in favour of—we could do some good stuff. From the other side, what can we do to enable that good stuff to be done by actively focusing on financial mechanisms? How much talk, how much appetite and how much emphasis are there on that question in your community? How actively is it being discussed?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

Without putting words in your mouth, it sounds as if there is early-doors thinking across the piece.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

What would be the lever?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

Mr Campbell, you mentioned the interface with Government, and you both had terms of reference set for your work. In our evidence session last week, we heard from the Scottish Police Federation that, despite it making clear its concerns about the opportunity costs, which the convener outlined, the dialogue was very limited once things were set in train.

I appreciate the tension in the situation. However, if a cabinet secretary has triggered an inquiry, they must surely have an on-going interest in its implications, even if they cannot get involved or be seen to be involved, for very good reasons that I understand. What would you expect a cabinet secretary who has instructed that an inquiry be undertaken to do during it? Would you expect interest from them during the inquiry or only once it has been completed? As the chair of an inquiry, would you expect them to tell you what you have to do and then go away and only come back years later?