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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

I want to bring in Audit Scotland here. Many years ago, I had another life doing project management and large-scale so-called transformational change programme management. Of course, the laugh was that the only time your plan was ever accurate was at the end of the programme or whatever. That comes with the job.

From Audit Scotland’s perspective, going back to the concept of scrutiny where there are diffuse accountabilities, it can become a bit of a circular firing squad. What role do you see for yourselves going forward in this complex multitude of city region deals? As we said, some started years ago, like Glasgow in 2014, while Falkirk, which is in my area, was signed last week.

The committee has chosen to do an inquiry into this but if we wait until the end of the deals, 25 years down the line, the only thing that we can be certain of is that we will have got lots of stuff wrong. Where do you see yourselves fitting in to avoid that circular firing squad? Where do you see a committee such as ours fitting in and, indeed, who else would fit in? We can be confident that a lot of this will be wrong because that is its nature.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

I want to return to the subject of growth and the link with capital. I think that it was David Miles who reminded us that, on capital, we have a short-term bounce of about 2.5 per cent. There was a lot of sleight of hand in the budget in relation to the short-term nearside position but, in the longer term, capital investment will continue to be very low. How on earth will we be able in any way to mitigate—if we can mitigate it at all—the damage of Brexit over the longer term, given that, as we have discussed throughout this meeting, we have had only marginal nearside increases?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

I was about to say, “Always look on the bright side,” but the outlook does not seem to be terribly bright.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

You have just made the point that I was going to come on to. We face the geopolitics: we are out of the EU, we have the diminishing trade intensity and we have activity in the rest of the world. We have President Trump and there are geopolitics going on, so we could end up being in a very isolated place when it comes to replacing some of that trade, notwithstanding the point that you make about services.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

I thank the witnesses for joining us—it has been a very worthwhile session. I want to finish off by getting your reflection on Brexit, which, incredibly, we have barely discussed. You comment that

“Weak growth in imports and exports over the medium term partly reflect the continuing impact of Brexit”.

You then refer to a decrease in trade intensity, which I think that I asked about this time last year.

My question is about the impact on potential productivity in the light of the budget being projected as a growth budget. I know that you commented on that in March earlier this year, but it would be useful to get your latest reflections on the specific impact of Brexit on productivity. Obviously, we have the nearside issues, but I am asking about the longer term—I think that you used a 15-year projection.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 20 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

The evidence session thus far is proof that, if you keep quiet long enough, all your questions get asked, so I thank my colleagues for contributing. There has been some great content so far.

We keep coming back to the point about the globalised nature of business. You mentioned the £600 million underwriting of one of Sir Jim Ratcliffe’s businesses in Antwerp. Therefore, that is what my question relates to, and he, in some respects, is the elephant in the room. Ineos is his global business, and Ineos is absolutely at the heart of this. To the best of your knowledge, thus far, has anyone had a conversation with Sir Jim Ratcliffe about his intentions, given the global nature of his business?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 20 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

Have you had any response from the Government to the documents that you sent?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 20 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

Okay. I want to focus my questions on a positioning that involves looking at the ways in which we might be able to keep the refinery online—I will go on to the hydrocracker in a moment—to allow a sufficient period of time for other moves to be made, whether on SAF or something else. I do not want too much of our time to be taken up with the future rather than the here and now.

You mentioned the hydrocracker and the evidence on that from Petroineos. There seems to be a slight misunderstanding and I wonder whether you can clear up. In May 2024, it was reported in the media that the hydrocracker had been brought back online, but Iain Hardie, in evidence last week, said that the unit has been offline since April 2023. Can you comment on that and put a bit more meat on the bones of what you have set out? If the hydrocracker was online, what could that mean for bottom-line profits? Finally on the hydrocracker, you might have caught the comments about a number of different trials. I think that the company stopped at four, citing safety concerns.

That is my first wee batch of questions on that.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 20 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

Thank you both for the additional information.

An interesting letter, from Sharon Graham of Unite, was posted on Twitter. It would be helpful for the committee if you could put more meat on the bones of the plan that that letter suggests. I understand that the plan has gone to Ed Miliband and—when it is deemed appropriate—I suspect that the committee would be interested in seeing the detail of it.

It would be useful, however, if you could walk us through your findings, and what you are suggesting, in a little more detail than what is in currently in the public domain in that letter.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 20 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

Thank you for joining us—I am sorry you had such a long trip through. I want to pick up on your starting points. You referenced certain documents and your review of the accounts. First, who did that review? You do not necessarily need to give the company name, but was the review of the accounts done by a fit and proper person? Secondly, when were the documents shared with the Scottish Government and, I presume, the UK Government?