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Economy and Fair Work Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Michelle Thomson
We understand that. I want to follow up on the point about cascading within the siloed, complex and ever-shifting organisation that is Government. Beyond the process elements that you outlined, such as business and regulatory impact assessments, and in relation to embedding that depth of leadership, to what extent will directors general be measured and rewarded—or otherwise—based on not just following process but continuing to drive the cultural shift down through their direct reports?
Economy and Fair Work Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Michelle Thomson
Thank you for indulging me, Mr Fraser.
Deputy First Minister, I am heartened to hear what you have to say about a change in culture and the use of that term. You make a bold statement, because culture is extraordinarily difficult to change and it takes sustained intensive effort. We have already touched on silos, which would be the obvious issue. How do we work on that? We have had some evidence on that.
Given your limited capacity—you have a huge remit—what is your plan to ensure that the focus is sustained and cascaded through the depths of Government? What measures have been put in place to ensure that economic growth and all that it enables stay at the top of the agenda?
Economy and Fair Work Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Michelle Thomson
Because we would not have believed you.
Economy and Fair Work Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Michelle Thomson
I have a quick follow-on question, and I want to hear from Dr Malik as well.
One good bit about Scotland is that everybody knows everybody and, sometimes, one of the downsides is that everybody knows everybody. In a business context, how can we avoid groupthink and always keep the perspective fresh, particularly on the significant drivers of change?
A witness at one of our sessions, Tony Rodgers from Emtelle UK Ltd, had what I think all members felt was an entirely refreshing approach. It felt to us that Government will often go to the same old same old, not because they are not good—I am not dismissing anybody—but because that is easier. It is quite hard work to find the voices with a fresh perspective. Often those voices are from businesses that are taking risk and that are quite small—they could be spinouts from a university.
Given that we need to be at the head of the queue with some of the drivers, what are your plans within this cultural shift to embed that fresh perspective in Government? After you have answered, Deputy First Minister, I will bring in Dr Malik.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 18 March 2025
Michelle Thomson
This is where I am coming from. You mentioned the Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992, and I think that you recognise that there is an obligation to meet those regulations over and above the Equality Act 2010. You have referred to the fact that those regulations state that there must be “separate” toilet facilities “for men and women” except where each toilet is in a separate room lockable from the inside, and separate changing rooms where needed “for reasons of propriety”.
Are you completely 100 per cent comfortable that you are working within the 1992 regulations? Indeed, it might be useful for us to know how many of the facilities meet the requirements of those regulations, relative to the number of women in the civil service. Are you completely certain that you are meeting the 1992 regulations, which require that each toilet is in a separate room that is lockable from the inside?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 18 March 2025
Michelle Thomson
So, the only facilities that provide a reliable alternative to de facto mixed-sex provision are fairly limited, by definition—
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 18 March 2025
Michelle Thomson
Are you reassessing your legal advice just now, in the light of the number of cases that are coming out of public bodies, to ensure that the employment law element of it is absolutely on point? Are you actively doing that at the moment?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 18 March 2025
Michelle Thomson
I see that there is clearly the potential for tension in relation to the elected role of ministers.
You will know that the civil service’s total operating costs have routinely been overspent by around 10 per cent in recent years. If ministers have limited potential to do something about that—it is a dialogue-type situation—but you retain ultimate accountability, that would seem to be a problem.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 18 March 2025
Michelle Thomson
I have questions relating to the Scottish Government’s responsibilities as an employer and potential exposure to costly legal action. It cannot have escaped your notice that quite a few—the list is piling up—public bodies are falling foul of overreach on gender self-identification, despite that not being the law.
I have a quick yes or no question first. I assume that you have overall responsibility for ensuring that the Scottish Government, as an employer, complies with the law.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 18 March 2025
Michelle Thomson
Is it in the public domain that the women’s development network allows men to self-identify as women?