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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

I am not asking for an accurate figure on a scale of zero to 10. My question specifically was: how confident are you that the figure of £198 million is accurate?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

The question was actually about fiscal sustainability.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

What do you think the reason for that is?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

You have given a lot of information so far. In reading through the financial memorandum, I was struck by the number of detailed points that outline the basis on and the provisions by which the estimates were arrived at. That suggested to me that a lot of careful thought had been given to the matter. It also suggested to me, given that there are 95 clarifying points, that confidence in the figure of £198 million must be relatively low, with good reason and with every justification.

This is a question that I often ask at this committee: how confident are you and your supporting official in that figure, on a scale of zero to 10, where zero is no confidence and 10 is 100 per cent confidence? With 95 clarifying points, I think that the only thing of which we can be certain is that £198 million is not accurate.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

Funnily enough, you might have just pre-empted one of my questions. Obviously, none of us has the current figures, but it was suggested last September that the total cost of inquiries thus far was of the order of £200 million. Obviously, that was before the Eljamel inquiry had been agreed, but the child abuse inquiry came to £85 million; the Scottish hospitals inquiry, £19.2 million; the Covid inquiry, £26.1 million; and the Sheku Bayoh inquiry, £20.1 million.

Looking at this from the perspective of the efficiency of public spend, might you be concerned by calls for an increase in scope, such as that from the lawyer involved in the recent Sheku Bayoh inquiry, who might also be a significant beneficiary of the costs associated with any such increased scope? I ask the question because I wonder, within the scope of looking at how efficient these inquiries are, how those costs are being controlled.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

I fully accept the necessity of inquiries being independent, but there is a tension between that, their cost and the value that they bring, and it is of principal interest.

Looking at your numbers, my understanding of the article from last September is that some contributory bodies, such as councils and Police Scotland, were unable to articulate their staff costs for supporting inquiries. That might be of interest, too, if we are going to look a little further at the issue. Can you dig out what you have on that? Particularly with the Eljamel inquiry starting and the fact that others are still running, it might be useful to start collecting those costs as we move forward with this.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

It was Gary Player who said, “The harder I practise, the luckier I get.”

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

The convener spoke about the extra £1.6 million for the Sheku Bayoh inquiry. I appreciate that you may not be across the annualised and total cost of public inquiries, but have you factored the need to get across them into your public sector reform work?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

When it comes to breaking all of this down, I am not clear how costs are collected, structurally speaking. For example, what are the set-up costs? Obviously, there will be accommodation costs, and I imagine that the convener’s or chair’s costs will be significant, too, but a significant amount will also be needed to support legal costs. It would be useful to get a sense of the quantum of that money.