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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michelle Thomson

It is useful to know that the question of querying the costs for lawyers who represent core participants does not apply to you. Obviously, I am in no way inferring anything by asking the question, but the fact that costs, even if they were detailed, were not subsequently queried could suggest a throwaway acceptance of “Yes, that’s fine.” I am trying to get a sense of how actively the costs are monitored, in comparison with an implicit process—as part of the culture of how inquiries operate—of, “Well, an eminent KC submitting this, so of course it’s right. It’s all detailed and that’s good enough for us.” Would it be fair to say that costs from eminent KCs are usually accepted because that is the culture?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michelle Thomson

Michael Clancy, in your submission, you said that

“inquiries are not-for-profit bodies.”

Can you explain what you mean by that? I take it that you mean that it is in their nature that they are not for profit, because it is clear that a lot of money flows through them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michelle Thomson

I will interrupt you there. I just wanted to check that point about inquiries being not for profit because, clearly, quite a lot of profit is being made.

With the earlier panel—I know that Richard Pugh joined us later during that—we discussed the general theme of inquiries being seen as, in effect, a type of project that have different pathways through them. There could be properly scoped terms of reference, with an indication of a budget—even if that was then subject to change control, as would be normal—and with reporting. Potentially, there could be the equivalent of a project management office.

To what extent is that feasible? Does any of you accord with the view that that route would not be effective only in the case of public inquiries? That approach is not perfect in businesses or in any other public sector piece of work.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth’s Industrial Future

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Michelle Thomson

I am keen to let my colleagues come in. I know that we only have you for an hour, so this is my final question.

What commitment can you give today about the Acorn carbon capture and storage project? There has been some extensive pre-trailing that the Chancellor of the Exchequer is going cold on Acorn specifically but continuing to proceed with Teeside and Humberside. Can you give us any update or commitment on the Acorn project?

09:15  

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth’s Industrial Future

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Michelle Thomson

Okay.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth’s Industrial Future

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Michelle Thomson

You are the accountable—

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth’s Industrial Future

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Michelle Thomson

At a recent meeting of the Scottish Affairs Committee, Ineos was unable to signal its intention to invest in project willow, despite being invited to do so. You are correct about the scale of the projects under project willow not yet being on the table, but the problem is that they will not come unless there is regulatory certainty and investment certainty. The regulatory certainty will come from the UK Government, and Ineos clearly has a role, because it owns the land. I ask you for your reflections on that.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth’s Industrial Future

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Michelle Thomson

Okay—I will move on to the next question, then.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth’s Industrial Future

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Michelle Thomson

I am sure that your remarks will be noted.

There is clearly a power imbalance between Ineos as a landlord and any projects that come through. What assessment have you made of the risks of Ineos being the landlord, and what is your current approach to that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth’s Industrial Future

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Michelle Thomson

I know, because you have immediately gone into Michael-the-minister mode. I have put on the record both my anger and my significant disappointment at what has happened, and I can tell you categorically that all of us in politics need to play our part in taking accountability and responsibility for the situation, for the people who work there and the people in the town, and for Scotland.

I can put on the record that I feel that I have done everything that I can, but I take responsibility and accountability for that, because I am an elected politician. Do you?