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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

That is a standard sensible approach. I am trying to tease out the risks of the detail coming through in secondary legislation and you saying, “Oh, right. I wish we’d known that up front.” The figure that has been bandied around is £30 million, but the basis for that is pretty loose, and only time will tell.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

I have a final wee question about councils’ involvement. They are able to use section 75 as another mechanism for warding off bad behaviour. Are they involved in discussions on the issue?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Revenue Scotland

Meeting date: 18 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you for joining us—and thank you, Elaine, for all of your hard work in Revenue Scotland. You have created a culture that will influence and shape the organisation, which is very important.

Last year, I asked about the representation of, and the split between, men and women in the organisation. I can see that you have made determined attempts to improve that; I was heartened to hear about your new CEO and the two new board members. There is still a way to go in relation to the board and the audit and risk committee, which have 37 per cent and 20 per cent female representation. I can see that you have co-opted board members, too, because those are fixed-term positions. Aidan, will you state what your target is and give a sense of where you are in the journey towards that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Revenue Scotland

Meeting date: 18 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

Taking a risk-based approach will be very wise for all the areas that you have outlined.

I have a final wee question, which I also asked last year. Going back to the convener’s questions about digitisation, I asked you last year about your thinking on artificial intelligence. We are a year down the line. I have heard that some public sector organisations have said that their staff should not use AI at all, which seems somewhat luddite, but I want to get a sense of where you are at. A lot of people are routinely using Copilot, Gemini, ChatGPT or whatever, but where is your thinking on that this year?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

Good morning, and welcome to the 31st meeting of the Economy and Fair Work Committee in 2025. My name is Michelle Thomson, and I am the deputy convener. Our usual convener, Daniel Johnson, is unable to join us today. We have apologies from Sarah Boyack, and a former committee convener, Claire Baker, is standing in for her—welcome, Claire. Lorna Slater has also given her apologies today.

This is our second evidence session on artificial intelligence. I am delighted to welcome our witnesses: Steven Grier, industry adviser and former director at Microsoft; Professor Mark Schaffer, professor of economics at Heriot-Watt University and fellow of the Royal Society of Edinburgh; and Heather Thomson, chief executive officer, The Data Lab.

I will begin with some opening questions. Following that—you are probably aware of the format—I will introduce colleagues to focus on areas of interest to them.

Last week, we had quite an optimistic session, in which we talked a lot about opportunities. Today, I want to start by asking about risk and getting a little more meat on the bones. Last week, I asked about the black-box nature of generative AI—we do not know what is going on in there. Today, I would like to get a sense of what our witnesses see as the critical risks in the area, particularly economic risks and risks to the public sector. I invite Professor Schaffer to start—for obvious reasons.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

I can see what you are saying. There is clearly a great deal of potential and I suspect that, as we go through the conversation, there will be more examples of what might happen. You have already given us some useful examples that we might not have thought of.

Heather Thomson, can you answer the same question?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

Steven Grier, do you want to come in now?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you very much to you all. That brings our public session to a close. I really appreciate all the time that you have given up this morning and all the information that you have given us.

11:30 Meeting continued in private until 11:44.  

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

I think that we will get on to that aspect.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

Yes, thank you—I appreciate that it is a difficult question.