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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 July 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you very much.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thanks for attending this morning. I have a general question about what the public sees from the processes. We are charting quite dangerous courses where people fail to pay attention to data and analysis. You have clearly outlined the complexity and risks of what you are doing. To what extent do you actively consider how the public can easily consume the very complex data and processes that you have to go through? Arguably, because of the complexity of the fiscal framework in Scotland, that issue is even more acute for us. I know that the Scottish Fiscal Commission has been considering that issue, but I am interested in your reflections.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Michelle Thomson

I appreciate that it is a difficult challenge.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Michelle Thomson

You had quite the twinkle in your eye, Professor Bell, when you mentioned recruiting junior civil servants and their understanding the basic opportunity costs. It begs a sensible question in that, when we use the term “the Scottish Government”, we are talking largely about career civil servants. To what extent have their skill sets and competencies in the area changed over the profile of the Parliament? We might have a minister who tends to believe everything that they are told without asking, “Why that is the case?” or, with regard to interrogating the data, “How do we know that this is true?” What are your reflections on that? Civil servants have an important role in supporting ministers.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you very much for your submissions. You have given us so much evidence. I also very much appreciate your frankness, which I think will help us to move things along—although that will be subject to the Government having an appetite for change.

That leads me to my first question. To what extent do you think that the Government really has an appetite for doing this better? I do not mind who goes first. You are smiling, Professor Bell, so you can go first.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you. Do you have any final words, Susan?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Michelle Thomson

My couple of questions will help to bring that in. I have a quick question that I will invite Susan Love to answer first. How do you see the advent of artificial intelligence affecting skills provision in the future and what active thinking are you doing on that? We are talking about a very wide landscape and we do not know what we do not know but, as I have said previously, there is a juggernaut coming down the track and we need to try to factor it in in some way. Could you give me some reflections as to what you have thought about thus far? If you have not thought about it, that is also okay.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Michelle Thomson

I appreciate that AI is a massive area. I am not at all surprised and I am entirely heartened to hear about the amount of work that is going on in your sector.

The reason why I am asking about this is to probe the Scottish Government’s work mapping a pathway that ensures skills provisioning across the piece and its ability to take cognisance of AI across the piece. Are you getting the sense, as we talk about the skills landscape and, in effect, being fit for the future, that consideration of AI is very much on the table in the way that it is in what you have outlined about your sector?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Michelle Thomson

Okay. I will bring in the other three panellists with my next question, and then give you a chance, Susan.

I have been listening very intently to this wide-ranging session and part of the committee’s challenge is how to fashion recommendations. If I were to be cruel and ask what your top two asks are in terms of ensuring that our skills system works and is fit for the future of your sector, what would those top two asks be? You are smiling, Kellie. You have to come in.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Michelle Thomson

Exactly.