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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 December 2024
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Michelle Thomson

You and me both.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Michelle Thomson

I have a question for Vicki Miller, although Stuart Black and Jane Morrison-Ross might want to come in, as well. To what extent have you considered the opportunities and challenges that are set by artificial intelligence, particularly generative AI, linked to your marketing propositions? I would appreciate your initial thoughts on that.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Michelle Thomson

Many of the areas that I am interested in have been covered. I want to explore the main theme of this evidence session. Thus far, the evidence has highlighted the considerable complexity that is illustrated by the fiscal framework. It also points to the fact that there is a bit of a johari window issue in that politicians are driven to look at very nearside issues in relation to the budget in hand at this moment in time, although our earlier conversation was about the lack of long-term infrastructure investment—capex and so on. Public sector net investment was 8 per cent of gross domestic product in the 1960s and had dropped to 0.5 per cent of GDP by the 1990s. That big thematic framing of the UK macroeconomy tends to be forgotten when we are looking at this exercise.

That is a long explanation for what is a simple question. Given that this evidence session is about a strategic approach to the Scottish budget, in summing up, what areas would you like to pull out that have not been considered thus far to genuinely attempt some consideration of a strategic approach to the Scottish budget?

You looked at me, Professor Bell, so I will go to you first.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Michelle Thomson

Good morning. I have a few random questions. David Lonsdale, I want to ask you about your intriguing comment about competitiveness pertaining to the tax strategy or framework, as you described it. Can you give us a bit more flavour of that? For the record, you said that tax strategy should include an additional principle of competitiveness

“to stimulate greater levels of private sector investment and consumer demand, to ensure a strong economic recovery.”

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Michelle Thomson

That is an excellent response. In asking that question, I was not making a singular plea for hypothecated taxes—it was merely a question.

Have David Lott and Vikki Manson anything to add on that? I appreciate that it is a bit of a left-field question.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Michelle Thomson

You have touched on the subtle point that I was making, which is less rigid than the one on hypothecated taxes. It is about following the funding of such measures.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Michelle Thomson

Thank you everyone. That helpful thread has taken us back to the complexity of the big picture.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Michelle Thomson

That is interesting and I suspect that it will be picked up further.

Vikki Manson, there is an intriguing bit in your submission, which I will quote for the record:

“It is simply impossible to expect to see an increase in economic activity when the proposed Economy National Outcome intends to deprioritise economic growth.”

You go on to refer to the wellbeing economy. That is being looked at and we know that work is under way, but I would like to get a little more flavour of what you mean by that. Also, given that you made your submission prior to the budget, do you now have more confidence that the budget will encourage economic growth?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Michelle Thomson

I suspect that some of those themes will be picked up by the Economy and Fair Work Committee, of which I am also a member, which is convenient.

My final question picks up on a point that my colleague Ross Greer alluded to. As we are taking a strategic look at the budget, I am interested in the panel’s views on hypothecated taxes, by which I mean those that are aligned to particular purposes. Through the use of the term “ring fencing”, we have seen such an approach being passed on to councils, yet it is not being applied to the Government itself. Ross gave the example of minimum unit pricing. There has also been a suggestion that the £640 million of ScotWind moneys would just go on building supply-side infrastructure and so on for renewables. This is a bit of a throwaway question, but what are your thoughts on the principle of hypothecated taxes? Would that intrigue you, given that this session is about strategic budgets? David Lonsdale is going first on that one.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Michelle Thomson

Many of the areas that I am interested in have been covered. I want to explore the main theme of this evidence session. Thus far, the evidence has highlighted the considerable complexity that is illustrated by the fiscal framework. It also points to the fact that there is a bit of a johari window issue in that politicians are driven to look at very nearside issues in relation to the budget in hand at this moment in time, although our earlier conversation was about the lack of long-term infrastructure investment—capex and so on. Public sector net investment was 8 per cent of gross domestic product in the 1960s and had dropped to 0.5 per cent of GDP by the 1990s. That big thematic framing of the UK macroeconomy tends to be forgotten when we are looking at this exercise.

That is a long explanation for what is a simple question. Given that this evidence session is about a strategic approach to the Scottish budget, in summing up, what areas would you like to pull out that have not been considered thus far to genuinely attempt some consideration of a strategic approach to the Scottish budget?

You looked at me, Professor Bell, so I will go to you first.