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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 April 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Michelle Thomson

I do not want to veer away from Aberdeen. Stuart Bews made an interesting observation relating to papers being ready to be published. To that extent, is it the case that the funding is not really ring fenced? Is that the inference that you drew from that situation? Is that the case for the other councils on the panel?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Michelle Thomson

I am targeting these questions at you both because of the breadth of your regions. What effect—positive or otherwise—has that had on the relationships between the multitude of key stakeholders with whom you engage? Was it slightly awkward at the start before there was the usual forming stuff? Have you noticed differences in the relationships and the collaboration across all your stakeholders?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Michelle Thomson

Paul, I can see that you want to come in.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Michelle Thomson

There is a book about that.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Michelle Thomson

I will just quickly ask about that, as I do not want to deviate from Kevin Stewart’s questions. That final say is, in effect, about drawing down funds. Is it the other councils’ understanding that, in the face of what we all understand are critical issues with public sector funding recently, even though a decision might have been made by all the various governance bodies that you have got, ultimately, Government can say, “Well, no, we are putting a pause on it”? I just want that to be made clear.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Michelle Thomson

I will pick up on a few entirely unrelated issues. Some of them have been mentioned this morning, but I also have some other thoughts.

Paul Lawrence, when we were describing the make-up of the programmes, you mentioned that governance has brought a sharpness of focus, which was a very interesting statement to make. Will you give us a little more information on why that is the case? Why did that not exist before? What is it about the wider perspective and the wider geographical pool that a lot of the programmes have brought in?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Michelle Thomson

That is useful.

As we have said, all your deals are mature ones, and you have said that some of the deals have altered quite significantly. I want to explore the extent to which the influence of Government—whether it is the Scottish Government or the UK Government—has led to changes. What percentage of your overall programme costs were, in effect, sunk costs?

I appreciate that there is a flipside. There are necessary change control processes, but one can argue that a change of priorities—you mentioned that there were quite a lot of changes—can sometimes result in sunk costs. We do not know what we do not know. I am just trying to get a sense of the efficiency compared with the effectiveness of the outcomes of the programmes. That question might be one for Kevin Rush.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Michelle Thomson

My final question picks up on points that my colleague Kevin Stewart was making earlier, but I want to focus a bit more on communities. Stuart Bews highlighted that, as is the case everywhere, a lot of this is done in public, but that does not necessarily excite communities. How have you endeavoured to make sure that you are delivering through people and not to people in the work that you are doing? The question is for all the witnesses.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Michelle Thomson

Thank you. Matt Bailey, I can see that you want to come in.

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Michelle Thomson

What, then, is different in governance terms? That suggests to me that, because a pause could put in place, a pause was put in place. In other words, the Government scanned the horizon and looked at where it could do that. What was different about the two deals?