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Economy and Fair Work Committee
Meeting date: 24 May 2023
Michelle Thomson
Yes, you are all men. Off the back of that, I thought that I would just check how representative the organisation is. We can see that 20 per cent of the people here today are women—Susan Bomphray is online and has not had a chance to speak yet. I looked at the board, and I see that there is 25 per cent representation by women. Then I looked at the membership of the committees and saw that the risk and audit committee, which is the most active one, is 70 per cent men. Then I searched your strategy for the terms “sex”, “gender”, “women” and so on, and there was no mention of them. I also looked at your work plan, which has three mentions in passing. So my question is: are you completely or just mostly gender blind?
Economy and Fair Work Committee
Meeting date: 24 May 2023
Michelle Thomson
I thought that you were director of policy, Susan. I see that your title on screen is “director of policy”.
Economy and Fair Work Committee
Meeting date: 24 May 2023
Michelle Thomson
There is certainly much further to go.
Before I move on to my main area of questioning, I want to ask about your research—David Eiser may be able to come in on this. What consideration have you given thus far to how specifically your research in whatever area you are focusing on will make sure that it pulls in the unique insights of women? I take it that you are routinely disaggregating your data set by gender. I see nodding; it is heartening to know that you are doing that as a matter of routine.
I have a few questions about how your approach differs for small businesses, to which, I know, you offer a service. In some respects, the issues that are experienced by small business owners are similar to those experienced by other consumers. We have already touched on some of those today. What is more interesting is where small business owners are considered to be equal to large organisations but do not have the same power. I am thinking of issues to do with commercial contracts in financial banking, where a microbusiness is considered in law to have the same weight as NatWest. What are the similarities in the service that you offer to small businesses, and where are some of the advocacy differences?
Economy and Fair Work Committee
Meeting date: 24 May 2023
Michelle Thomson
I apologise, Sue. That is why I was wondering why you were passing that question to David Eiser.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 23 May 2023
Michelle Thomson
Do you have a comment, Professor Connolly?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 23 May 2023
Michelle Thomson
I have a final comment, convener. I know that I still have some time.
John Connolly mentioned culture and innovation. There is a tendency with some people to think that reform of the public sector means having less of it but with the same structure, culture and behaviours. You distinctly made that comment about innovation. At a change level, it is extraordinarily difficult in any organisation to change culture and empower people. Do you have final thoughts about how you would go about that? It is quite a challenge.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 23 May 2023
Michelle Thomson
I ask John Connolly and Antony Clark whether they agree with that point about positive action to involve the public fully.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 23 May 2023
Michelle Thomson
I nominate John Mason.
John Mason was chosen as convener.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 23 May 2023
Michelle Thomson
It is alphabetical order, and T comes last.
I thank the witnesses for joining us. I have a few questions. I first want to come to Alison Payne. We have had an interesting discussion, but we have not touched on public perceptions all that much. Arguably, the public are behind the curve, and react to changes by thinking, “It’s going to cost me more,” or, “I am going to get less.” In your opinion, in light of the step back by the former Deputy First Minister from the resource spending review—we now know that the local bodies will look at their own efficiencies or reforms—and accepting all your earlier comments, where do the public fit in that? To what extent is the new approach a missed opportunity for making the public part of this “burning platform for change” that Antony Clark talked about?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 23 May 2023
Michelle Thomson
Professor Connolly, I hope that you will be able to add, from an academic perspective, your recommendations on the most effective ways in which the Scottish Government could involve the public.