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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Michelle Thomson

Many of the areas that I wanted to probe have been covered by my colleagues. Mark Taylor, I quickly scanned through the Audit Scotland publication, “Radical Action needed on data”, which came out this morning. We are taking a top-down approach by looking at the financial memorandum of the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill, but I will look at it from the other side, where we know that we have issues around data. Are there any more general areas that pertain to our inquiry that you would like to pull out in the light of that paper?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Michelle Thomson

In relation to that paper, I assume that you made that call because, as you have described it, the appetite for data as a mechanism of driving change in Government is variable. Is that due to constraints, or lack of resources or understanding of how important data is as enabler? What is your sense of that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Michelle Thomson

You make clear your concerns about unmet need in your written submission.

I will finish off on some of the themes that everybody has raised. We all agree that this is a framework or enabling bill, and that it involves a huge and highly complex transformational project, with huge uncertainty in all the variables. In addition, there is the approach of using secondary legislation, which has been raised.

Knowing what we now know, and setting aside parliamentary processes—we probably want to discuss those separately—does any of you want to bring out any final things that should have been in the financial memorandum, even if that was with an amber alert stating, “We suspect this, but we cannot know, for the extremely good reasons that we have set out.” Have we captured everything thus far, either in your submissions or in the questioning?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Michelle Thomson

Are there any last comments from Ralph Roberts or Hannah Tweed?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Michelle Thomson

That is helpful. My last question concerns the energy suppliers. Are people getting the support that they need from the suppliers? We have covered extensively the support that they need from Government. Are they getting the support that they need, from what you are picking up?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Michelle Thomson

To clarify, we have seen the focus on supporting consumers but my concern is supporting SMEs. It will often not be a contract of equals between a large supplier, which might be a large multinational, and an SME. I am trying to tease out a bit more information about that. I am sorry if I was not clear.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Michelle Thomson

Yes.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Michelle Thomson

Good morning. We have covered a broad range of areas across the piece. Before I ask a few other questions I want to check whether any of the three remaining panel members feels that there might be questions that we should have put but have not been able to in a session of this breadth. On my screen I can only see the witnesses’ backs, so I ask whoever wishes to go first to do so.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Michelle Thomson

I have a last wee question, just to bottom that out. A lot of our discussion has summed up the issues that we face at the moment, such as lack of access to labour and problems with capital, and has moved on to the longer-term impact on productivity or the lack of it. That is where the UK scores badly when we look at comparator countries, whether they be small economies or larger advanced ones.

My question to you is: based on all the people with whom you work, do you anticipate a slowdown in investment? That might be investment in automation—which David Thomson brought up earlier—or in more general terms, while, at least in the short period, we will be focusing on getting through what looks likely to be a difficult period or in the longer run because of the wider concerns that are being shared about another decade of austerity. It would be useful to hear your thoughts on that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Michelle Thomson

This is my last question and is for my own clarity. Will this be the only financial memorandum? Will you break down the detail, associated risks and potential cost overruns, which are what we are concerned about, through the detailed business cases and regular updates to the committee?