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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 January 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

That risk is not a surprise to me, and I suspect that it is not a surprise to you, either. I am therefore surprised that we are in this position. An assessment of risk—not just a treatment of what funds come back—must surely have been part and parcel of the decision on which budget pot those contributions went into. Is that a matter of catching up with what is still a relatively immature system of Whitehall fiscal transfers? Is there something more?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

Ms Johnson, I do not know whether you have any final comments.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

You probably heard me express concern about timescales to the earlier panel. I do not know the exact date, but it is proposed that the stage 1 debate on the bill be held in the chamber in December. When we come back in the new year, we will have 12 working weeks—not 11 as I said earlier—in which to deal with a multitude of other legislation. After the stage 1 debate, the bill will come back to the committee for stage 2, before returning to the chamber for stage 3.

First, based on your knowledge and experience to date, how realistic is it that the required work can be completed within that timescale?

Secondly, what must be put in place for that to happen? What would be your top ask to get the bill into the condition that we might like it to be in? I fully accept your comments about the levy not being fair, which is what we have heard from contributors across the board.

Anna Gardiner looked at me first, so you can go first.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

And institutional memory, as well.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

Peter Proud is absolutely right that there is a discussion is to be had about power. I know that one of my colleagues will come in on that, so I will not steal her thunder, but he was absolutely right to bring it out.

I have a couple of questions about the public sector. You are sitting here as experts, and we are all in the public sector. Somebody referenced some of the work that the Scottish Government is doing, but—and this is an open question—in your opinion, to what extent do the Government and the public sector get AI? I ask that because, historically, particularly in the civil service, the culture is slow, deliberative, thoughtful and reflective. That has worked well in many areas, but to what extent could that prevailing culture, which, as I say, has great strengths, potentially be a weakness when we look at the exponential growth of AI? Sarah Ronald, you nodded, so you need to come in on that first.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

You also referenced automation.

I will bring in Peter Proud for a generic sense of where he thinks that AI can add economic value.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you so much for joining us. We have jumped right in with the heavy brogues, to use a Scottish phrase. I will just take things back up a level for the record, given that people will be watching this session and poring over the words that you use.

Sarah Ronald mentioned productivity growth, but that is an outcome, we hope, of using AI. I have a question for all the witnesses. What is your sense, in terms of your businesses, of the areas where you think that AI could add economic value? There is a whole range of areas, but automation and supply chains are examples. I would like to get on the record a sense of that from you before we continue. Sarah, could you go first?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

I know that my colleagues are keen to ask questions, but before Seth Finegan comes back in, I want to introduce one last thread, which is about data. I was recently in Lithuania, where they have created what they call a data lake, which is an aggregated data set of all their public sector data. Of course, that will be immensely powerful when they start to look at preventative spend. Before I stop, I would like your reflections on that. Where are we with data, and do you have a sense of understanding how important it is? Seth, please come in first and finish off on the previous point.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

I have a final question. What is your attitude and risk appetite for generative AI, or rather the black box nature of it? We have been talking about pretty early-doors usage of AI, but we all know that there will be challenges with generative AI and the basis of statistical probability versus genuine cognition. In your businesses, is the attitude you are taking, “We will deal with that when we start to smell it, but we are not at that point yet”, or is it something that you are already actively considering?