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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 18 January 2024
Michelle Thomson
In using the term “trading broke”, I am referring to the debt to GDP ratio. Debt is 98 per cent of UK GDP.
11:45Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 18 January 2024
Michelle Thomson
Thank you very much.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 January 2024
Michelle Thomson
In relation to the earlier discussions about student numbers, I checked the UCAS clearing table, which shows that, in 2019, there were 28,750 Scotland-domiciled students. Setting aside a range of other factors, which we all understand, if there was a reduction of 1,200 from the 2023 figure, which was 30,050, that would take us back to 28,850, which compares very favourably with the 28,750 in 2019. I thought it that would be helpful to put that on the record. Do you have anything to add to that?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 January 2024
Michelle Thomson
Thank you.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 January 2024
Michelle Thomson
Absolutely—fair dos.
I want to explore that a bit more. I absolutely agree with you about the constraints on pay and the difficulty of the budget, but how specifically will you be able to support agencies in squaring that circle—to use a horrible analogy? They will be required to deliver to budget—exactly as the Scottish Government is required to do—and to make those changes at the same time and manage the very real issues that they have with the cost base. My question is really about how you see your role in supporting agencies with those conflicting demands.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 January 2024
Michelle Thomson
Last week in the chamber, the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care, Michael Matheson, gave a speech with which I strongly agreed. He emphasised the need for culture change and talked about some of the work that is being done on that. I intervened to comment that, because of my previous life experience, I know that changing culture as part of general change programmes is the hardest thing to do. Do you think that the culture within the civil service, national agencies and local authorities needs to change? Do you back up what Professor Humes from the University of Stirling described in a previous evidence session as “a cosy conformity” in the culture? If so, in what ways does it need to change?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 January 2024
Michelle Thomson
Good morning, cabinet secretary. I thank the rest of the panel for attending as well.
Before other members come in on the budget, I want to discuss briefly public sector reform, which was trailed extensively, although the budget does not contain any specific plans for how that will happen. I appreciate that the issue is complex and challenging, and that real costs are associated. I understand that the approach thus far is for some 129 agencies to look at where they could make improvements. Arguably, that is like asking turkeys to vote for Christmas. I therefore want to explore with you, from the perspective of your portfolio, your understanding of the approach that is being taken. Is it top down or will it work in alignment with your education reform programme—in which case, how will you dovetail that programme, which is extensive enough, with the wider public sector reform?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 January 2024
Michelle Thomson
I have a couple of follow-on questions. Purely in terms of delivery, if the deadline was 10 years hence and there were no electoral cycles, the approach that one would choose to adopt—and public pressure—might be different to what they will be given intervening events such as elections. How will you square the nuanced approach and the pressure that there will be for demonstrable delivery, cabinet secretary? People will be crying out for real, evident change but with a nuanced approach against a 10-year delivery plan. Perhaps you can reflect on some of the complexities that you see in that.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 January 2024
Michelle Thomson
Thank you for that. You are right that we will come on to talk about the reform agenda.
I will follow on from that. In terms of a “lean” to the budget, a specific public sector pay policy has not been published. How will you support agencies that are struggling to set budgets and, as I commented earlier, where there is a real cost to the savings that they need to make? What is your role in supporting them—without the framing of a public sector pay policy?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 January 2024
Michelle Thomson
Yes, we did.