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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 March 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Michelle Thomson

Good morning, panel. Irene Stove has led on to the issue that I want to raise, and I want to bring in other panel members on that. I am interested in the insights that were gained during the pandemic about how dysregulated behaviours became more apparent and increased. To what extent have they become embedded, particularly in children in the early years? You give a lot of information in your written evidence, but this is a chance to put that on the record.

I will go to Glenn Carter first.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Michelle Thomson

Suzi, do you want to come in? You reference the issue in your written evidence.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Michelle Thomson

Do you agree with that, Glenn?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Michelle Thomson

Thank you. Irene, I know that you have not had a chance to come in yet, but I will lead off with my next question, so you may want to pick something up from that.

In the light of what we now know, or have a strong sense of, what do you consider to be the key points of intervention post-pandemic, and where do they differ from what we might have thought were the key points pre-pandemic?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Michelle Thomson

I will pick up on the way in which I framed the question. In your written evidence, many of you present how Covid has led to more dysregulated behaviour, but I am interested in not just the increase but whether there are instances of certain behaviours or issues having become embedded. Depending on the learning stage or age that the child is at, putting in place mitigations to overcome that would be extremely difficult.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Michelle Thomson

I can see smiles from people who obviously want to come in. Dinah Aitken has caught my eye, and I can see that Deborah Best and Irene Stove are keen to come in, too.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Michelle Thomson

Deborah, I know that you have not had the chance to contribute yet. Good morning.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Michelle Thomson

Have we been able to capture what we now know, with hindsight, would have been the key intervention points at which behaviour tipped into dysregulation? Have we gained new insights into that? In other words, is that a positive from the pandemic? We knew before what the key points of intervention were. Are they still the same and have they simply been exacerbated, or do we have any new insights? That is what I am trying to get to.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Michelle Thomson

Good morning, everybody, and thank you for attending—[Interruption.] I hope that you can hear me now—can you?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Michelle Thomson

I want to kick off the session with a bit of framing out, because the feedback that you have provided to the call for evidence is very content rich. First, at a summary level, what do you see as being the expected benefits of the presumption of mainstreaming? I ask that question because anticipated benefits were identified when the policy was put in place, and we now have a lot of data to draw on. That is my first question, which is an open, framing question.

Secondly, what do you see as being the main impacts of implementation of the policy on children with complex needs? I suspect that we will want to get into a lot of detail, so you can keep your answers at a summary level. What do you see as being the expected benefits, and what have the impacts been of implementation of the policy? I invite everyone on the panel to respond.