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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 April 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Karen Adam

Welcome back. We now move on to our second panel. I welcome to the meeting Dr Pauline Nolan, head of participation and policy at Inclusion Scotland; Rohini Sharma Joshi, diversity and inclusion manager at Age Scotland; and Vic Valentine, Scottish Trans manager at the Equality Network.

For the benefit of those who were not here at the beginning of the meeting, I remind all members that rule 7.5.1 of the Parliament’s standing orders prevents members from referring to any matter in relation to which legal proceedings are active, except to the extent permitted by the Presiding Officer. I advise members that Sandie Peggie’s employment tribunal case against NHS Fife is considered to be active for the purposes of the sub judice rule and contempt of court. I have sought and received permission from the Presiding Officer about the extent to which we can explore matters related to the case today and throughout the course of the PSED inquiry. On the basis of that permission, questions about issues connected to the case will be admissible today, but questions about the specifics of the case will not.

We move on to questions. To what extent do you think that public authorities understand the terms and the aims of the public sector equality duty in Scotland? We will start with Rohini Sharma Joshi.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Karen Adam

We move on to questions from Marie McNair.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Karen Adam

Good morning, and welcome to the seventh meeting in 2025 of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. We have no apologies.

Our first item is to agree whether to take in private item 4, which is consideration of our approach to the civil legal aid inquiry. Do members agree to take item 4 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Karen Adam

Pam, do you have any more questions before we move on?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Karen Adam

We move on to questions from Tess White.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Karen Adam

Pam Gosal has a supplementary question.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Karen Adam

Item 2 is evidence on the operation of the public sector equality duty in Scotland. The PSED is a legal requirement for public authorities in Scotland. Under the duty, they must consider equality when carrying out their functions. The Scottish Government is making reforms to the duty, and the inquiry is an opportunity to explore those reforms and consider how they might improve the delivery of the duty.

We will hear from two panels of witnesses this morning. I welcome the first, which is made up of Clare Gallagher, human rights officer at the Council of Ethnic Minority Voluntary Sector Organisations Scotland; Jatin Haria, executive director at the Coalition for Racial Equality and Rights; Lindsey Millen, head of policy and development at Close the Gap, who joins us remotely; and Jill Wood, policy manager at Engender, who also joins us remotely. You are all very welcome—thank you for attending.

I refer members to papers 1 and 2. Before beginning the session, I remind all members that rule 7.5.1 of the Parliament’s standing orders prevents members from referring to any matter in relation to which legal proceedings are active, except to the extent permitted by the Presiding Officer. I advise members that Sandie Peggie’s employment tribunal case against NHS Fife is considered to be active for the purposes of the sub judice rule and contempt of court. I have sought and received permission from the Presiding Officer about the extent to which we can explore matters related to the case today and throughout the course of the PSED inquiry. On the basis of that permission, questions about issues connected to the case will be admissible today, but questions about the specifics of the case will not.

We will now move on to questions. I will start us off. To what extent do the witnesses think that public authorities understand the terms and aims of the PSED in Scotland? I will come to you first, Clare.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Karen Adam

Do members wish to ask any other questions before I end this part of the meeting?

Members: No.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Karen Adam

I thank our witnesses for their evidence. I will suspend the meeting briefly to allow a change of witnesses.

10:55 Meeting suspended.  

11:05 On resuming—  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Karen Adam

We will move on to questions from Evelyn Tweed.