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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 March 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Brian Whittle

There is so much to unpick, but I know that time is against us so I will leave it there.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Brian Whittle

We discussed the failings of the system with the previous witnesses. What would you do to get the bill into a position in which you were more comfortable with the whole trauma-informed approach?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Brian Whittle

I want to reflect on how the bill deals with the role of the third sector. I am aware of the way in which East Ayrshire dealt with the issues previously with its wraparound service, which seemed to be a success, but I am also aware of the pressure that it is currently under. I am thinking about the role of the third sector in facilitating access to treatment. It is very much a gateway or doorway, if you like, before people get to statutory services. Where does the bill sit in relation to delivering a holistic approach with the third sector? Since I started with my specific knowledge of East Ayrshire—one of my colleagues here knows even more about it than I do—I will bring in Liam Wells first.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Brian Whittle

I will expand that point. I completely agree about squeezing the third sector and the importance of that sector in what we are doing. Squeezing the third sector puts more burden on statutory services. I met the psychiatry services only last week. There are other failings elsewhere and there has been, for example, an 800 per cent rise in requests for a diagnosis of ADHD. That all puts pressure on the system. I am slightly confused about how, if that is already happening—which you said in answer to my earlier question—introducing the bill would increase pressure on the sector.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Brian Whittle

I have been listening with great interest to what you have said. You have highlighted eloquently that the whole-system approach is currently failing, and we have talked about housing and education. We heard the example of a psychiatrist making a diagnosis without prior knowledge. For me, that is a big issue—communications in healthcare are really poor. There is a whole cross-portfolio issue that wraps around this, and it suggests to me that the system is not working for many people.

If what the bill is highlighting is that the system itself is not working, and if we can amend it to suit, we cannot decide not to proceed with it just because the system is flawed in a cross-portfolio way. As has been said, we have an issue in Scotland specifically, but I keep asking why that is and I never get an answer. If we have that system-led problem across Scotland, surely we need to find ways of addressing it. I think that the bill is capable of being manoeuvred into a position where it will have a very positive effect. We cannot decide not to proceed with it just because the system itself is flawed.

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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Brian Whittle

That is a very important point to make, but is it the responsibility of the bill to reflect the depth of trauma? Is it not the responsibility of the healthcare professional, the third sector worker or the social worker to understand the trauma of the individual who is in front of them?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Brian Whittle

On that point, we know that the system is under pressure right across the board. The financial memorandum mentioned the possibility of less need for repeat treatment. If we get the legislation right, would that not impact positively on the stress and pressure on staff?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Brian Whittle

The focus is on the preventative angle and the idea that those who seek services work their way through the service until the necessary input is much less than it would be if they returned to full dependency.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Brian Whittle

I have a simple question to start with. What impact would the bill have on staff working in the sector?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Brian Whittle

Dr Galea-Singer, I am interested in what you said about the things that are being called for in the bill already happening in your jurisdiction. If that is the case, that is fantastic. However, the overwhelming evidence is that it is not happening across the country, as there is a rising number of deaths related to drug and alcohol addiction. In my view, the bill sets out a right to be treated within three weeks, which is incredibly important for somebody who has the bravery to come forward and ask for treatment. Much as you are saying that that is happening in your jurisdiction, would you accept that that is not the case across Scotland?