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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Finlay Carson
I suppose my point is that there is still confusion about ARIOB. I am glad that Mandy Callaghan suggested that she will set out exactly what it is. We keep hearing that ARIOB is really important. Kate Rowell said:
“Things are discussed, everyone around the table gives their opinion”.
Pete Ritchie said:
“We have spent a lot of time on very small institutional issues with the delivery aspect of the rural payments and inspections division”
and on
“tweaking small details”.—[Official Report, Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, 12 March 2025; c 17, 16-17]
However, when it came to the crunch, the panel more or less agreed that, although it is not a decision-making body, ARIOB has, to date, made no tangible difference to policy direction.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Finlay Carson
That was a panel of witnesses, two of whom sit on ARIOB.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Finlay Carson
We will move on to our last topic. We have broadly covered it as part of the witnesses’ contributions, but Ariane Burgess might have a tidying-up question.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Finlay Carson
Would those schemes be limited by the IT system? You probably heard in the previous evidence session and last week that some innovative schemes will not be able to progress because the IT system is unable to deliver them. Do you see that as a risk?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Finlay Carson
Okay. Thank you.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Finlay Carson
We are getting into a completely different argument by talking about the health impact of reduced dairy and beef consumption. I do not think that we want to go there.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Finlay Carson
Ariane, you indicated that you had a supplementary question.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Finlay Carson
If there has been all that communication, why, without exception, did everybody last week say that communication had been woeful?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Finlay Carson
When did you first meet with FAST?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Finlay Carson
I am glad that Rhoda Grant touched on that. I know that we have previously had conversations about the CCC’s apparent obsession with reducing livestock numbers in the United Kingdom. It is quite obvious, when we look at global emissions, that the emissions from livestock in the UK are insignificant—they are not significant at all. They might be significant in the context of UK emissions, but, globally, they are not.
Do we get the balance right? Do we look at the impact of removing cattle and sheep ruminants from our hills, our grassland and whatever? Do we look at what would replace that, and how it would all balance out?
Right now, we have a rapidly declining national beef herd; I would suggest that we are almost at a critical mass. We are seeing record prices for livestock because there is a shortage. It is not because we are producing better meat or because the demand is higher—the demand has flatlined—but we are seeing a shortage, and meat prices are at record highs.
How should Governments approach that? We will not stop people eating beef, lamb or pork overnight, but some of the interventions need to take place now. Should we simply ensure that we recognise that livestock in the UK is produced with a carbon footprint that is significantly lower than elsewhere in the world? How do we get the balance right?