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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Ross Greer

During the questioning yesterday, I think that all members of the committee struggled with the fact that information appeared not to have been provided to the university court. The then chair of court did not want to ascribe motivations to that. Was the lack of information caused simply by missteps and incompetence, or were there deliberate efforts to withhold information from the court? It seems that the university court was not aware of a number of specific issues nor of the growing crisis until it was too late. Did you at any point withhold information from the court? If so, what were your reasons for doing so?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Ross Greer

You were obviously present at the court and you were part of the court. Did it make you feel uncomfortable that discussions were taking place at the court when you knew that you had provided the chair with more information than you believed she was then providing to the whole court?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Ross Greer

That certainly seemed to be what you were implying—you said, “Speak when you’re spoken to.” I find it hard to believe that you would accept that, knowing what I do about your character, particularly considering what is in the report and having met you before. I find that incredibly hard to believe.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Ross Greer

If I understand what you are saying, you are implying that you provided her with more information but you felt that it was not your place to provide the whole court with that information, because she had made it clear to you that that was her role. Is that a fair summary?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Ross Greer

You will understand why that is challenging for me to accept, particularly, if I am being honest, given the discussion that we have just had and what is in the Gillies report about your character.

It appears, from what you are trying to present to us this morning, that you felt cowed and unable to contribute fully—that you spoke only when spoken to. I find that hard to believe, particularly having sat with the previous chair of court yesterday, sitting with you now, having met you before and considering what is in the Gillies report. I find it hard to believe that you would have felt so cowed as to be unable to fully contribute and to be able to contribute only when you were invited to do so by the chair. Is that what you are trying to suggest?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Ross Greer

Professor Gillespie, you mentioned earlier that the decision to leave the university was made over the course of a weekend, in effect, with discussions between you and the then chair of court. In those discussions, which led to your decision to leave, did you at any point discuss with the then chair of court potential candidates for the interim principal position or who would take on your responsibilities, given that you were leaving immediately, without notice?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Ross Greer

Did you feel that attempts were made to reduce the participation of the wider executive group at the court and that that perhaps resulted in a lack of effective scrutiny, because the right people were not in the room? One issue appears to have been that it caused two bottlenecks: one through the chair of court—which you have presented—and another through you. If a wider group of executive members had been present at court, court members would perhaps have felt more able to direct specific questions and effective lines of scrutiny. Did you feel uncomfortable about any attempts to reduce the wider executive group’s participation at court?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ross Greer

Were you provided with reassurances, either formally or informally—for example, by other members of the executive group—that he was not so implicated in the crisis that he would have been an inappropriate appointment?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ross Greer

Was the incident group that was set up by the executive group—I think that it was called the executive group’s incident group—approved by the court? Did the executive come to the court and say, “There is a crisis, and we want to deal with it through this structure, which is this incident group that will respond,” or were you informed after the fact that, “This is what we are doing—we have set up this group and we are coming up with a recovery plan”?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Ross Greer

Sorry to press the question, but that is about the process. I understand that it was appropriate to make sure that the legal team confirmed that you were following the correct process. However, in relation to the process for individual candidates, information about them, who to appoint—I do not know whether anyone else was even in the frame for the position—and how suitable they would be, who provided you with the information that Shane O’Neill was suitable to appoint? Where did you get that information from?