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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 February 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

We now move to the final group of amendments. Amendment 103, in the name of Paul Sweeney, is grouped with amendments 104, 105, 69, 66, 140 and 106.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Amendment 85, in the name of Paul Sweeney, is grouped with amendments 118, 60 and 25.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Amendment 27, in the name of some character named Daniel Johnson, has already been debated with amendment 17. [Laughter.] I shall move the amendment.

Amendment 27 moved—[Daniel Johnson].

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

The result of the division is: For 3, Against 6, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 139 disagreed to.

Section 9—Guidance about community wealth building

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

It is, and we thank you for it, Mr Stewart, although we always enjoy hearing from you.

In closing, I would like to ask two final questions; the first is very specific and the second is more expansive. Does the Deputy First Minister recall that in the autumn I raised with her a point around thresholds for full accounts for charities, given her remit on social enterprise? I note that the Scottish Government raised the threshold to £1 million at roughly the same time—I do not know whether we should take credit for that or whether it was just a coincidence.

Notwithstanding that, £1 million is still considerably lower than it is for private businesses. For private businesses, the threshold is a turnover of £10 million and a balance sheet of £5 million or 50 employees. Given your remit, should we keep that under review? We should be encouraging social enterprises and the third sector, but that seems to be a disparity.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

You emphasised the need for our enterprise agencies to be nimble and efficient. I recently met SPRI, the Basque Country enterprise agency, which disburses grants of around €130 million and employs 80 people. I recognise that Scottish Enterprise is restructuring, but it employs more than 1,000 people. I also recently met Enterprise Singapore, which employs about 1,000 people, but it also supports small and medium-sized enterprises and undertakes a role that is Singapore’s equivalent to the British Standards Institution. Finland is a comparably sized country with a comparably sized scope, and Business Finland leads on innovation but employs fewer people. Do we really have the right balance between people and the money that goes out the door?

One thing that we struggle to get out of enterprise agencies is a clear articulation of how much money they get out the door versus how much they spend running themselves. Do we need to question those balances and whether we get the best bang for our buck from our agencies?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Sorry: is there a question there?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

I have had indications from Willie Coffey, Stephen Kerr and Kevin Stewart that they wish to ask questions. I will bring them in in that order.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Thank you very much. I cannot ask for more than that.

On the more expansive side, this is probably the last time that you will appear before the Economy and Fair Work Committee regarding a budget. It is striking, both for the committee and in general, given some of your answers, that many of the broad range of levers that are available to the Scottish Government exist outside the budget lines that belong to you—you have named the infrastructure and skills budget lines.

As you reflect on these issues, and as we are in the last 100 days of this parliamentary session, do you think about formally restructuring some of those things? Do some of those things need to come into the economy portfolio, or should we think about other ways that they could be linked?

For example, should skills be in the economy portfolio? Given the debate that we had last night, should that budget line belong to the economy portfolio, in order to maintain that economic link, given that delivery, which is going to the Scottish Funding Council, will probably be in the education portfolio? What are your thoughts about how we make the proper linkages between the things that deliver economic growth, such as infrastructure, skills, planning and housing?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Keen as I am sure Ivan McKee is, he is not actually here to speak to this item of business. We are allowing the minister to get comfortable in his seat before we move to our stage 2 business.