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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 March 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

Absolutely.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

The bill is opening ownership up. All that will have to be factored in to the tests and our decisions in relation to lotting. It is a question of what should be taken into consideration as part of that, in seeking positive outcomes for communities. For instance, a housing development trust or a new business might look to buy land. It is about diversity and increasing the supply of land. That will be the key aim of lotting decisions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

We have had to introduce the provision as it is because of what must be taken into consideration in the public interest, our direction of how that is used and why the measure is proportionate in respect of what we are talking about.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

We will, of course, listen to all the views that have been expressed to the committee. It all comes back to the idea that you can meet the Government’s objectives only if you are doing things at scale, which is not necessarily helpful. I have visited various estates and seen incredible work being done, but I see the same when I visit smaller landholdings. I do not think that it necessarily needs to be one or the other in order to meet the Government’s objectives—indeed, I do not think that that is the case elsewhere, when we consider international comparisons.

We recognise the role and importance of private investment, because the public purse will never have enough funding to enable all the activity that we need to see to meet our climate and nature targets. However, we must try to tackle the issues that we have with the scale and concentration of land ownership, and the impact that that has on communities. Via the measures in the bill, we have proposed a way to try to address the issues, and that is what is important.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

The pre-notification measures that we are introducing are really important. Ultimately, the reason for doing so is to ensure that we address some of the key barriers to community ownership that we know exist at the moment, and which relate to overall transparency. That relates to points that I made at the start of the meeting about off-market sales and transactions and transfers sometimes taking place that communities might not have been aware of and that they could have had an interest in. The pre-notification requirements are hugely important, because they are about ensuring that we enable communities to register interest and that there is transparency about land transactions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

I will bring in Andy Proudfoot.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

Quite a few people who have given evidence to the committee have raised that issue. I think that I touched on this in a previous response, but, ultimately, the role is proposed in this way to provide for separation between the commission’s regulatory and advisory roles.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

Yes, I am happy to do that, and I will bring in Andy Proudfoot to provide more detail. I believe that some of the costs and ranges in the policy document are based on the detailed work that some public agencies undertake in relation to land management plans and their costs.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

I think that Andy wants to come in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

There are a number of points within that. Essentially, it is all of that. Looking at the initial aims of the bill, the first is ultimately about transparency around land ownership and management, involving communities in the decisions that are taken in relation to land—that is where the community engagement provisions around land management plans come in—and encouraging dialogue between landowners and communities. It is about ensuring that there are other opportunities for communities to take on ownership of more land across Scotland, as well as increasing the land supply and encouraging wider diversification of ownership.