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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 March 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Richard Leonard

The Scottish Human Rights Commission has made a pitch for more powers, including, I think, some powers of enforcement. I guess that the equivalent might be the UK Equality and Human Rights Commission, which has the power to support litigation and mount its own inquiries and so on. It has demonstrably more power, yet nobody thinks that that is an interference with the due process of Parliament or Government.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Richard Leonard

That is fine. We put that to the test with the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman over the case of the women against state pension inequality, in which there was an ombudsman recommendation that the Government chose not to implement.

Can I go into a final area that is related to this? Setting aside the enforcement part, I will move on to regulation and adjudication. In some commissions, such as the Scottish Information Commissioner and the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman, those seems to be combined. However, if we look at the Ethical Standards Commissioner and the Standards Commission for Scotland, there is a separation between regulation and adjudication in the Scottish landscape. Is that a unique example in your experience, or are there other instances where there is a separation between those two functions?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. I have finished my questions, convener.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Dr Lamont, you also reflect on the difference between soft powers and hard powers. Does that help us to define the purpose of different commissions and commissioners? Alison Payne mentioned that the Scottish Commissioner for Children and Young People and the Scottish Information Commissioner might be interchangeable in some of the work that they do. However, the latter has certain powers of enforcement, whereas the former does not. Does any of you want to reflect on that?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I am interested in finding out your views on language. How interchangeable are some of the terms that are used in the discussion about what purpose the different commissions and commissioners fulfil?

When we started this exercise, we were told that, typically, some commissions are regulatory and some deal with advocacy. Alison Payne, you have talked about advocacy and integrity commissions and commissioners. Ruth Lamont, you have talked about regulatory commissions but also about contested social needs commissioners and special interest commissioners. Dr Elliott, you have talked about developing a strategic state. Are those terms interchangeable or do they represent the different profiles, powers and purposes of different commissioners?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Does anybody else want to come in on that?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Are you fairly clear which commissions and commissioners you put into each of those two categories? Based on what the commissioners said when we asked them how they define themselves, I am not sure that they are clear themselves.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. My final question is for Ian Elliott. How do you reconcile that kind of fragmentation, differentiation or right to be different with your call for a more “strategic state”?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Richard Leonard

That leads us nicely on to Graham Simpson’s areas of questioning, which include budgets and the financial resourcing of additional support for learning, as well as, I am quite sure, some wider questions that he wants to put to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Richard Leonard

Agenda item 2 is consideration of a briefing prepared by the Auditor General for Scotland and the Accounts Commission on additional support for learning.

I welcome our witnesses. From Audit Scotland, we are joined by Stephen Boyle, the Auditor General for Scotland, Alison Cumming, executive director, performance audit and best value, and Yoshiko Gibo, senior auditor. I am pleased to say that we are also joined by a member of the Accounts Commission, Ruth MacLeod.

Before we turn to the questions, Auditor General, I invite you to make an opening statement.