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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 November 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Kevin Stewart

Thank you for allowing me the supplementary, convener.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Kevin Stewart

I am really interested in the conversations that have taken place about the work of Dr Gerald Lip.

Earlier this year, I lodged a motion in the Parliament to highlight Dr Lip’s contribution to large-scale clinical trials using AI, particularly the GEMINI project—Grampian’s evaluation of Mia in an innovative national breast screening initiative. I believe that his work has led to 12 per cent more cancers being detected than has been the case in routine practice, which is quite incredible.

If we look at the cost aspect of all that, we might view it not only in budgetary terms but in human cost terms. Surely such an advance is great for all of us. The human cost of an early diagnosis is better for the patient, so the human cost of their illness is likely to be lessened. Looked at from the perspective of health economics or societal economics, getting a diagnosis and treatment more quickly, which is likely to lead to better outcomes, should also mean that that person can be fit and healthy again and get back to being productive.

We should be talking more about the Gerald Lips of this world. Why are more universities, hospitals and health boards not looking to create the type of appointments that Dr Lip has, in leading the use of artificial intelligence in clinical practice? Why are we not moving such activities on more quickly? Why are we not using Gerald Lip as something of an evangelist? Why are we not hearing more about that kind of work?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Kevin Stewart

I am sorry to interrupt. Obtaining funding is always a challenge—there is no doubt about that. However, the reality is that, alongside the lessening of the human cost, the savings here could be huge. If we were detecting illnesses and treating people more quickly, the outcomes would be likely to be much more positive, which would mean that a person could become productive again more quickly.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Kevin Stewart

That is because the UK is very backward in such regards, whereas health economics in other parts of the world is much more sophisticated in that it looks at the whole-life aspect of treatment. I could give other examples, but I will not because they do not relate to AI. However, such examples exist in other areas. Dr Lip is the lead on artificial intelligence in clinical practice at the University of Aberdeen. We should have somebody doing a study of his work from the health economics side, which would build an even bigger case for advancing the use of AI in our health services.

I notice that Heather Thomson wants to come in.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Kevin Stewart

Let me explain myself, Professor Schaffer. I am not slagging off health economists—I know a number of them, and I might get myself into trouble. I am simply saying that politicians do not look holistically at all the work that health economists do.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Kevin Stewart

I missed that—I am sorry.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kevin Stewart

Well, that where I was going next.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kevin Stewart

We will maybe come back to some other curiosities in a minute.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kevin Stewart

So it is a failure in your opinion as well.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kevin Stewart

But would you agree with Murdo MacLeod that it is a failure that that aspect has not been transferred from the 2014 act into the bill?