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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 January 2026
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Graham Simpson

That is good to hear. All colleges have good stories to tell and they need to shout about that, despite the challenges facing the sector. You are very lucky because the college is in Perth, which is a beautiful place—why would somebody not want to go there? It is a fantastic place. The college might be in an old building but it is in a great part of Scotland and your staff are clearly committed to turning things around.

I will ask finally about the sustainability of the college. Your college and others are in a serious position. I notice that Tiffany Ritchie is nodding her head so I know that the Scottish Funding Council is well aware of that. Catherine Etri, I will ask you first. We have a budget coming up next week. What does your college require to survive, to continue and then to build?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland 2025: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Graham Simpson

That is fine—I will look forward to that.

Before I close on the subject of ambulances, I will ask about flow navigation centres, which you mentioned. If we are trying to find solutions, that is a possible solution that diverts people away from A and E departments if they do not need to go there. That is the idea, and it looks as though there has been some success in that regard. In my patch, NHS Lanarkshire set up that system and, in its first 19 weeks—between April and November 2024—the flow navigation centre in Lanarkshire took more than 30,000 calls and nearly 5,000 patients were sent elsewhere, rather than to A and E. Is there the opportunity for such centres to be rolled out across the country?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland 2025: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Graham Simpson

There is a serious problem regarding ambulances. At paragraph 83, your report says:

“The long-term aim for handover of a patient conveyed to hospital by ambulance is 15 minutes.”

However, in August last year, people sat outside hospital for an hour on average. Ambulances getting stuck outside hospitals means that crews cannot get away to see to other emergencies. People waiting during those emergencies are waiting longer because ambulances are stuck outside hospitals, which increases the risk to people who are waiting for a new call. It is a vicious circle, is it not? One of the causes is overcrowding in A and E, which we have just discussed. What is the solution to all that?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland 2025: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Graham Simpson

It remains to be seen, but we are only weeks away, so the reality is that that aim is not going to be achieved.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland 2025: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Graham Simpson

What was the plan? How many of those units was it anticipated that there would be?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Graham Simpson

You said earlier that you have managed to attract 60 extra full-time students.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Graham Simpson

Okay. I will ask about something else. Apologies if I did not pick this up properly, but Catherine Etri mentioned that there is a new operating model. Will you share or explain what that is?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Graham Simpson

I get that the business case is in draft form and you do not want to share the details, but perhaps you can elaborate a little bit on what the change is. The money comes in from the Scottish Funding Council—is that correct?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Graham Simpson

As I often do, I will pick up on your line of questioning, convener. There is something hanging in the air about the role of the observer and what he was or was not doing and what he was allowed to see or be told. I am probably as confused as you are, convener. I wonder whether we can clear that up. Was the observer aware of the issues at Perth College or not?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Graham Simpson

Did Mr MacColl, at any point, flag to you—to UHI—that there were problems at Perth College?