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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 January 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

National Performing Companies (Economic Impact)

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Michelle Thomson

Okay.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

National Performing Companies (Economic Impact)

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Michelle Thomson

Alistair Mackie wants to come in.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

National Performing Companies (Economic Impact)

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Michelle Thomson

Sorry, Alex. This question might be for either one of you. In fact, it is a gentle challenge for all of you.

Alistair said that the RSNO has managed to increase its income by something in the order of 30 per cent since 2009, but the fact is that all the national performing companies have managed to increase their income in the face of diminishing grants. Therefore, I would argue, for the sake of discussion, that you should have been doing more.

The Government might think, “Well, you’ve managed.” When Alistair appeared in front of the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee, he talked about setting up an endowment fund. Although I am not disagreeing with any of you—I am a very strong supporter of the arts—I can see why the Government might say, “Look at what you’ve managed to do with a real-terms cut.” Hence my challenge about whether you have been doing enough.

I want to pick up on the multiyear funding element and ask whether that is flowing through. I can see that Liam Sinclair wants to come in as well.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

National Performing Companies (Economic Impact)

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Michelle Thomson

My question goes back to the opening thread. We are the finance committee, so I want to ask you all about your hopes and expectations with regard to today’s budget. Moreover—and this leans into a lot of the talk about multiyear funding and the commitments made in that respect—can you tell us, with an honest reflection that we are not living in a perfect world, what perfection would actually look like?

I do not know who wants to come in on that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

National Performing Companies (Economic Impact)

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Michelle Thomson

I feel as if that question has, in some respects, taken us straight in with our heavy brogues on. Before I move on, I will take it up a level to get your reflections on the fact that that you are in front of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. One of you may wish to answer first, but I would like to get a sense from all of you of how important you think financial sustainability is. I may come to you first, Alistair, because the RSNO report came out before the wider report into all the national performing companies. In your role as chief executive of the RSNO, how much importance do you give to financial sustainability, how much is that supported by the board and how much is it encouraged by Government? In other words, what was the trigger for your producing that report?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

National Performing Companies (Economic Impact)

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Michelle Thomson

Yes. My apologies.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

National Performing Companies (Economic Impact)

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Michelle Thomson

I could see nods of agreement around the table, but I want to pick up on a comment that the convener made about the simple maths—I realise that it does not particularly work like that—of looking at the joint NPC figures minus the RSNO figures. The wellbeing-adjusted life years—the WELLBY measures—are valued at £40.5 million for all the NPCs. If you take out the RSNO figures and spread the remainder roughly across the other four companies, the WELLBY figure looks far less, and likewise with GVA. I appreciate that we do not have the exact figures.

I will come to you first, Alex, just because you are on my right-hand side. Have the other national performing companies given this the same focus? If you say, “Absolutely, yes we have,” why was there not that level of detail from all the NPCs, while allowing the RSNO to lead? What has been going on with that focus on financial sustainability in all the other companies? Do not worry, Alex will be asked about this first, but I will come to the others as well.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

National Performing Companies (Economic Impact)

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Michelle Thomson

Does that mean that whatever version of this finance committee exists in the next parliamentary session can look forward to this kind of report on a regular basis, if not an annual basis, because I appreciate that there is a cost to preparing such reports?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

National Performing Companies (Economic Impact)

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Michelle Thomson

I know—sorry. You did not—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

National Performing Companies (Economic Impact)

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Michelle Thomson

Okay. Just to get this in the same thread, I want to bring in—