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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 March 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

It is a supplementary on the Deputy First Minister’s opening statement.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

I will leave it there. Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

I have a quick follow-on question, and I want to hear from Dr Malik as well.

One good bit about Scotland is that everybody knows everybody and, sometimes, one of the downsides is that everybody knows everybody. In a business context, how can we avoid groupthink and always keep the perspective fresh, particularly on the significant drivers of change?

A witness at one of our sessions, Tony Rodgers from Emtelle UK Ltd, had what I think all members felt was an entirely refreshing approach. It felt to us that Government will often go to the same old same old, not because they are not good—I am not dismissing anybody—but because that is easier. It is quite hard work to find the voices with a fresh perspective. Often those voices are from businesses that are taking risk and that are quite small—they could be spinouts from a university.

Given that we need to be at the head of the queue with some of the drivers, what are your plans within this cultural shift to embed that fresh perspective in Government? After you have answered, Deputy First Minister, I will bring in Dr Malik.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

I will finish off with a question for Dr Malik. What do you see as your role going forward? It may not be you personally, but what you have been able to bring has been generally recognised and very much valued. How will that work continue so that we have freshness of perspective and a sound voice, and so that we keep focusing on the shift in culture?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

We understand that. I want to follow up on the point about cascading within the siloed, complex and ever-shifting organisation that is Government. Beyond the process elements that you outlined, such as business and regulatory impact assessments, and in relation to embedding that depth of leadership, to what extent will directors general be measured and rewarded—or otherwise—based on not just following process but continuing to drive the cultural shift down through their direct reports?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you for indulging me, Mr Fraser.

Deputy First Minister, I am heartened to hear what you have to say about a change in culture and the use of that term. You make a bold statement, because culture is extraordinarily difficult to change and it takes sustained intensive effort. We have already touched on silos, which would be the obvious issue. How do we work on that? We have had some evidence on that.

Given your limited capacity—you have a huge remit—what is your plan to ensure that the focus is sustained and cascaded through the depths of Government? What measures have been put in place to ensure that economic growth and all that it enables stay at the top of the agenda?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

Because we would not have believed you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

This is where I am coming from. You mentioned the Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992, and I think that you recognise that there is an obligation to meet those regulations over and above the Equality Act 2010. You have referred to the fact that those regulations state that there must be “separate” toilet facilities “for men and women” except where each toilet is in a separate room lockable from the inside, and separate changing rooms where needed “for reasons of propriety”.

Are you completely 100 per cent comfortable that you are working within the 1992 regulations? Indeed, it might be useful for us to know how many of the facilities meet the requirements of those regulations, relative to the number of women in the civil service. Are you completely certain that you are meeting the 1992 regulations, which require that each toilet is in a separate room that is lockable from the inside?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

So, the only facilities that provide a reliable alternative to de facto mixed-sex provision are fairly limited, by definition—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

Are you reassessing your legal advice just now, in the light of the number of cases that are coming out of public bodies, to ensure that the employment law element of it is absolutely on point? Are you actively doing that at the moment?