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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 January 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

David Thomson, is that a fair summary of what I have heard?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

It does the what.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

The other elements are missing.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

It is. The name of the scheme represents a policy acknowledgment of that.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

I will come back to ETS, because that will be the thrust of my main question to all of you. However, first, I want to get a sense of where your evidence has led us to and to check that I have understood it. I will turn to Professor Turner, and ask her to give me her take on my summary.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

It is a form of net zero, is it not, where one plant survives because another plant closes?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

It was a tribute to Stanley Baxter.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

But we are missing the Goldilocks moment that you mentioned in relation to hydrocarbons. There is not a Goldilocks moment here either, is there? We are not getting this right, because we can see—according to Richard Woolley and other evidence that is available to the committee—that the deindustrialisation that we have talked about is happening across the UK, including in Scotland.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

That is a fair and clear comment. I was tempting you to be more explicit in what you thought should be included in the CCP, but I respect what you said.

Let us turn to ETS. As a policy, that will be elevated over the next period. There are already baked-in assumptions about the impact of ETS in the CCP, but there is expected acceleration—extension—of ETS beyond the current three sectors that are impacted by it, namely power generation, aviation and energy-intensive industry such as steel making, chemicals and cement manufacturing.

I will turn first to Richard Woolley because he began to talk about the issue when responding to my previous question. You said something about the impact of ETS on your sector. Will you elaborate on that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

That is not evident.